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<p>Hello,</p>
At the past it was the main idea, that if you don`t use IP`s you
return them back to RIPE.<br>
But, in such case, NOBODY return IP`s back. <br>
Everyone thinks "we can use them later" OR "what we will do if we
need IP`s later and we already returned them".<br>
Especially now, when no IP`s avail anymore. Who will return ? Ofc
NOBODY.<br>
<br>
I think that it`s the MAIN REASON why RIPE permit selling when IPv4
is over.<br>
Bc now, at least somehow, organizations, who need IP`s can receive
them. It's better than nothing.<br>
<br>
I DON`T tell that I`am not agree with you. I AGREE with you, bc I
also don`t like situation with selling.<br>
But I just can understand RIPE`s decision.<br>
<br>
Think about it.<br>
<br>
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С наилучшими пожеланиями :: With best regards,
Дмитрий Николаев :: Dmitry Nikolaev</pre>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29.11.2019 14:35, noc wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">It's been a while that I am reading the messages
and not answering. </div>
<div dir="auto">But in my opinion, this deserves to be answered. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Almost all brokers/operators here try to sell
something that they don't own.</div>
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<div dir="auto">You guys should put something on your heads: the
ips don't belong to you. They are NOT yours!</div>
<div dir="auto">The IPs belong to RIPE and RIPE assign you a range
for you to use.</div>
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<div dir="auto">The RIPE transfer was never meant to be used to
make profit. It was created to transfer ips between LIRs that
need IPs and LIRs that don't need IPs.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">I have seen a lot of "we sell ips from RIPE, ARIN,
etc...". You don't sell them. You can't sell something that
don't belong to you. Don't you?</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">This topic seriously needs to be handled by RIPE. </div>
<div dir="auto">In my opinion, the IP ranges that are on IP
transfers should be taken back by RIPE and given to LIRs in
need.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Regards </div>
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<div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto">Enviado a
partir do meu smartphone Samsung Galaxy.</div>
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<div>-------- Mensagem original --------</div>
<div>De : Stuart Willet <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stu@safehosts.co.uk"><stu@safehosts.co.uk></a> </div>
<div>Data: 29/11/19 12:05 (GMT+01:00) </div>
<div>Para: Kseniya Sokol <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ksyu@netassist.ua"><ksyu@netassist.ua></a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> </div>
<div>Assunto: Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer </div>
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Are you seriously trying to sell IPv4 space via the members
discuss mailing list, which is being used to discuss the underhand
tactics of people just like you?<br>
<br>
I think it's time I pulled out of the mailing list.All I have seen
is decent people raise decent points only to be shot down and
taken over by Spamy IPv4 brokers.<br>
<br>
Congratulations once more RIPE for not being able to organise a
proverbial drink up in a brewery.<br>
<br>
/me left<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: members-discuss [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] On
Behalf Of Kseniya Sokol<br>
Sent: 29 November 2019 10:28<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer<br>
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Hi<br>
So here it becomes the same market, and the same propositions as
you start to condemned in discussion<br>
"RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers"<br>
We also do have a lot of IP addresses and price is not to high.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
29.11.2019 12:05, Hassan Dirsanji пишет:<br>
> Hi guys,<br>
> <br>
> An IPv4 block /19 with is a PI allocation available for
immediate transfer.<br>
> Please let me know if you are interested in.<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 13:11 Pablo Serrano
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info@pabloserrano.net">info@pabloserrano.net</a> <br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:info@pabloserrano.net"><mailto:info@pabloserrano.net></a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> 50$ per ip and free hugs it's a good BF!<br>
> <br>
> Nikolay Gorstkin wrote on 2019-11-29 10:32:<br>
> > :))<br>
> > Yeah!! This morning I heard a price of $ 40 / per
address :)<br>
> > Anti-BF !<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >> 29 нояб. 2019 г., в 12:27, Bunea Petru
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu">suport@bunea.eu</a><br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"><mailto:suport@bunea.eu></a>> написал(а):<br>
> >><br>
> >> I think we can tell for sure this is a reverse
Black Friday.<br>
> Maybe a first in BF history.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Sent from my iPhone<br>
> >><br>
> >>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 11:24, Sergey Myasoedov
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kaa@net-art.cz">kaa@net-art.cz</a><br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kaa@net-art.cz"><mailto:kaa@net-art.cz></a>> wrote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> <br>
> >>> I was waiting for such message here, in m-d
list!<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 09:42, José Manuel
Giner <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jm@ginernet.com">jm@ginernet.com</a><br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jm@ginernet.com"><mailto:jm@ginernet.com></a>> wrote:<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Hello,<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> we're interested to buy (full-transfer)
a /22,<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> If anybody is interested to sell us
with a special price,<br>
> please contact me with the proposal details.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Thanks.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> --<br>
> >>>> José Manuel Giner<br>
> >>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ginernet.com">https://ginernet.com</a><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>>
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