<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="auto">It's been a while that I am reading the messages and not answering. </div><div dir="auto">But in my opinion, this deserves to be answered. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Almost all brokers/operators here try to sell something that they don't own.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You guys should put something on your heads: the ips don't belong to you. They are NOT yours!</div><div dir="auto">The IPs belong to RIPE and RIPE assign you a range for you to use.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The RIPE transfer was never meant to be used to make profit. It was created to transfer ips between LIRs that need IPs and LIRs that don't need IPs.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I have seen a lot of "we sell ips from RIPE, ARIN, etc...". You don't sell them. You can't sell something that don't belong to you. Don't you?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This topic seriously needs to be handled by RIPE. </div><div dir="auto">In my opinion, the IP ranges that are on IP transfers should be taken back by RIPE and given to LIRs in need.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div id="composer_signature" dir="auto"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto">Enviado a partir do meu smartphone Samsung Galaxy.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000" dir="auto"><div>-------- Mensagem original --------</div><div>De : Stuart Willet <stu@safehosts.co.uk> </div><div>Data: 29/11/19 12:05 (GMT+01:00) </div><div>Para: Kseniya Sokol <ksyu@netassist.ua>, members-discuss@ripe.net </div><div>Assunto: Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer </div><div><br></div></div>Are you seriously trying to sell IPv4 space via the members discuss mailing list, which is being used to discuss the underhand tactics of people just like you?<br><br>I think it's time I pulled out of the mailing list.All I have seen is decent people raise decent points only to be shot down and taken over by Spamy IPv4 brokers.<br><br>Congratulations once more RIPE for not being able to organise a proverbial drink up in a brewery.<br><br>/me left<br> <br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Kseniya Sokol<br>Sent: 29 November 2019 10:28<br>To: members-discuss@ripe.net<br>Subject: Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer<br><br>Hi<br>So here it becomes the same market, and the same propositions as you start to condemned in discussion<br> "RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers"<br>We also do have a lot of IP addresses and price is not to high.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>29.11.2019 12:05, Hassan Dirsanji пишет:<br>> Hi guys,<br>> <br>> An IPv4 block /19 with is a PI allocation available for immediate transfer.<br>> Please let me know if you are interested in.<br>> <br>> Regards,<br>> <br>> <br>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 13:11 Pablo Serrano <info@pabloserrano.net <br>> <mailto:info@pabloserrano.net>> wrote:<br>> <br>> 50$ per ip and free hugs it's a good BF!<br>> <br>> Nikolay Gorstkin wrote on 2019-11-29 10:32:<br>> > :))<br>> > Yeah!! This morning I heard a price of $ 40 / per address :)<br>> > Anti-BF !<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> 29 нояб. 2019 г., в 12:27, Bunea Petru <suport@bunea.eu<br>> <mailto:suport@bunea.eu>> написал(а):<br>> >><br>> >> I think we can tell for sure this is a reverse Black Friday.<br>> Maybe a first in BF history.<br>> >><br>> >> Sent from my iPhone<br>> >><br>> >>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 11:24, Sergey Myasoedov <kaa@net-art.cz<br>> <mailto:kaa@net-art.cz>> wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>> <br>> >>> I was waiting for such message here, in m-d list!<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 09:42, José Manuel Giner <jm@ginernet.com<br>> <mailto:jm@ginernet.com>> wrote:<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Hello,<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> we're interested to buy (full-transfer) a /22,<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> If anybody is interested to sell us with a special price,<br>> please contact me with the proposal details.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Thanks.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> --<br>> >>>> José Manuel Giner<br>> >>>> https://ginernet.com<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>>> members-discuss mailing list<br>> >>>> members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net><br>> >>>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss<br>> >>>> Unsubscribe:<br>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/kaa%40net-art.cz<br>> >>><br>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>> members-discuss mailing list<br>> >>> members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net><br>> >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss<br>> >>> Unsubscribe:<br>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/suport%40bunea.eu<br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> members-discuss mailing list<br>> >> members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net><br>> >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss<br>> >> Unsubscribe:<br>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nikolay.gorstkin%40gmail.com<br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > members-discuss mailing list<br>> > members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net><br>> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss<br>> > Unsubscribe:<br>> <br>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/info%40pabloser<br>> rano.net<br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> members-discuss mailing list<br>> members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net><br>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss<br>> Unsubscribe:<br>> <br>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/aidinsystem%40g<br>> mail.com<br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> members-discuss mailing list<br>> members-discuss@ripe.net<br>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss<br>> Unsubscribe: <br>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ksyu%40netassis<br>> t.ua<br>> <br><br>--<br>С уважением, Ксения Сокол<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>members-discuss mailing list<br>members-discuss@ripe.net<br>https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss<br>Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/stu%40safehosts.co.uk<br>_______________________________________________<br>members-discuss mailing list<br>members-discuss@ripe.net<br>https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss<br>Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40xervers.pt<br></body></html>