<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Well, if you're so picky about words...<br> OK, not "nobody", rephrase to "Very few".<br> <br> What is RIPE ? <br> <br> <blockquote type="cite"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIPE">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIPE</a><br> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <b style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 22.4px; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 1; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Réseaux IP Européens</b><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 22.4px; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 1; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(</span><b style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 22.4px; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 1; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">RIPE</b><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 22.4px; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 1; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language" title="French language" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 22.4px; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 1; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background: none rgb(255, 255, 255);">French</a><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 22.4px; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 1; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>for "European IP Networks") is a <font size="+1"><b>forum open to all </b></font>parties with an interest in the technical development of the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet" title="Internet" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 22.4px; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 1; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background: none rgb(255, 255, 255);">Internet</a><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 22.4px; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 1; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">. The<font size="+1"><b> RIPE community</b></font>’s objective is to ensure that the administrative and technical coordination necessary to maintain and develop the Internet continues.</span></blockquote> So, it`s all of us.<br> And so anyone, who don`t agree or wants to change something goes to RIPE meeting and tell it there.<br> <br> Can I ask ? Anyone who wrote "+1" and/or "I agree" in previous letters, was on RIPE`s meeting ?<br> I think the answer will be "NO".<br> <br> All I want to say is that there is a reason why RIPE made such a decision.<br> And if it was adopted in this way, then no one suggested a different way.<br> <br> <br> P.S.<br> <br> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">We have received a request from 185.141.5.88 for the removal of your email address, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:noc@mega-net.ru">"noc@mega-net.ru"</a> from the <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a></pre> </blockquote> Very funny. Good luck o you 185.141.5.88.<br> <br> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">С наилучшими пожеланиями :: With best regards, Дмитрий Николаев :: Dmitry Nikolaev </pre> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29.11.2019 15:57, Lutz Donnerhacke wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote cite="mid:1cc8bbf0ce6c44808fac886c6ddeea4e@iks-service.de" type="cite"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB">I believe RIPE NCC can disprove your claim by listing IPv4 resources which were given back by (still existing) LIRs in the past.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB">And yes, I also support forcing takeback of resources by RIPE (i.e. by revoking rPKI certs) if they are sold to a different party.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> members-discuss <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"><members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net></a> <b>Im Auftrag von </b>NOC<br> <b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 29. November 2019 13:50<br> <b>An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p>Hello,<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">At the past it was the main idea, that if you don`t use IP`s you return them back to RIPE.<br> But, in such case, NOBODY return IP`s back. <br> Everyone thinks "we can use them later" OR "what we will do if we need IP`s later and we already returned them".<br> Especially now, when no IP`s avail anymore. Who will return ? Ofc NOBODY.<br> <br> I think that it`s the MAIN REASON why RIPE permit selling when IPv4 is over.<br> Bc now, at least somehow, organizations, who need IP`s can receive them. It's better than nothing.<br> <br> I DON`T tell that I`am not agree with you. I AGREE with you, bc I also don`t like situation with selling.<br> But I just can understand RIPE`s decision.<br> <br> Think about it.<br> <br> <br> <o:p></o:p></p> <pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre> <pre>С наилучшими пожеланиями :: With best regards,<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre>Дмитрий Николаев :: Dmitry Nikolaev<o:p></o:p></pre> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">On 29.11.2019 14:35, noc wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">It's been a while that I am reading the messages and not answering. <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">But in my opinion, this deserves to be answered. <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Almost all brokers/operators here try to sell something that they don't own.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">You guys should put something on your heads: the ips don't belong to you. They are NOT yours!<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">The IPs belong to RIPE and RIPE assign you a range for you to use.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">The RIPE transfer was never meant to be used to make profit. It was created to transfer ips between LIRs that need IPs and LIRs that don't need IPs.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">I have seen a lot of "we sell ips from RIPE, ARIN, etc...". You don't sell them. You can't sell something that don't belong to you. Don't you?<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">This topic seriously needs to be handled by RIPE. <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">In my opinion, the IP ranges that are on IP transfers should be taken back by RIPE and given to LIRs in need.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Regards <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div id="composer_signature"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Enviado a partir do meu smartphone Samsung Galaxy.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">-------- Mensagem original --------<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">De : Stuart Willet <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:stu@safehosts.co.uk"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stu@safehosts.co.uk"><stu@safehosts.co.uk></a></a> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Data: 29/11/19 12:05 (GMT+01:00) <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Para: Kseniya Sokol <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ksyu@netassist.ua"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ksyu@netassist.ua"><ksyu@netassist.ua></a></a>, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Assunto: Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer <o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal">Are you seriously trying to sell IPv4 space via the members discuss mailing list, which is being used to discuss the underhand tactics of people just like you?<br> <br> I think it's time I pulled out of the mailing list.All I have seen is decent people raise decent points only to be shot down and taken over by Spamy IPv4 brokers.<br> <br> Congratulations once more RIPE for not being able to organise a proverbial drink up in a brewery.<br> <br> /me left<br> <br> <br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: members-discuss [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] On Behalf Of Kseniya Sokol<br> Sent: 29 November 2019 10:28<br> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer<br> <br> Hi<br> So here it becomes the same market, and the same propositions as you start to condemned in discussion<br> "RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers"<br> We also do have a lot of IP addresses and price is not to high.<br> <br> Regards,<br> <br> 29.11.2019 12:05, Hassan Dirsanji пишет:<br> > Hi guys,<br> > <br> > An IPv4 block /19 with is a PI allocation available for immediate transfer.<br> > Please let me know if you are interested in.<br> > <br> > Regards,<br> > <br> > <br> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 13:11 Pablo Serrano <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:info@pabloserrano.net"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info@pabloserrano.net">info@pabloserrano.net</a></a> <br> > <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:info@pabloserrano.net"><mailto:info@pabloserrano.net></a>> wrote:<br> > <br> > 50$ per ip and free hugs it's a good BF!<br> > <br> > Nikolay Gorstkin wrote on 2019-11-29 10:32:<br> > > :))<br> > > Yeah!! This morning I heard a price of $ 40 / per address :)<br> > > Anti-BF !<br> > ><br> > ><br> > >> 29 нояб. 2019 г., в 12:27, Bunea Petru <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu">suport@bunea.eu</a><br> > <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:suport@bunea.eu"><mailto:suport@bunea.eu></a>> написал(а):<br> > >><br> > >> I think we can tell for sure this is a reverse Black Friday.<br> > Maybe a first in BF history.<br> > >><br> > >> Sent from my iPhone<br> > >><br> > >>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 11:24, Sergey Myasoedov <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kaa@net-art.cz">kaa@net-art.cz</a><br> > <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kaa@net-art.cz"><mailto:kaa@net-art.cz></a>> wrote:<br> > >>><br> > >>> <span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"></span><br> > >>> I was waiting for such message here, in m-d list!<br> > >>><br> > >>><br> > >>>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 09:42, José Manuel Giner <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jm@ginernet.com">jm@ginernet.com</a><br> > <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jm@ginernet.com"><mailto:jm@ginernet.com></a>> wrote:<br> > >>>><br> > >>>> Hello,<br> > >>>><br> > >>>> we're interested to buy (full-transfer) a /22,<br> > >>>><br> > >>>> If anybody is interested to sell us with a special price,<br> > please contact me with the proposal details.<br> > >>>><br> > >>>> Thanks.<br> > >>>><br> > >>>><br> > >>>> --<br> > >>>> José Manuel Giner<br> > >>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://ginernet.com">https://ginernet.com</a><br> > >>>><br> > >>>><br> > >>>> _______________________________________________<br> > >>>> members-discuss mailing list<br> > >>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"><mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net></a><br> > >>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><br> > 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