<div><div dir="auto">Hi</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am not very comfortable with idea have ripe become some sort of regulatory for brokerage market...</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Maxemilian Hilbrand <<a href="mailto:maxemilian.hilbrand@isicore.com">maxemilian.hilbrand@isicore.com</a>>于2019年12月19日 周四22:39写道:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_5528315437065380904WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I would also vote for option B<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">As I completely understand that costs were associated with LIR accounts, a fee for transferring IP address spaces is justified. Assuming, the most of us did not “purchase” IP addresses before (we run out of IPv4), a source of trusted traders would be essential to make a transaction. Even better would be to get the addresses directly from the LIR. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Furthermore, RIPE might suggest a price per IP address or limit the price. This would avoid excessive trading and money-making with initially “free” addresses. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#404040">Maxemilian Hilbrand</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#7f7f7f"> </span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#7f7f7f">(Software & Systeme)<u></u><u></u></span></p><table border="0" cellpadding="0" width="636" style="width:477.0pt;margin-left:2.25pt"><tbody><tr><td width="161" style="width:120.75pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#767171"><img src="cid:16f1e9a1964ad7999133" alt="isicore_s_small" style="max-width: 100%;"></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#767171"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="469" style="width:351.75pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#767171">CH: +41 71 511 722 0<br>AT (mobile): +43 660 703 92 54<br></span><a href="mailto:maxemilian.hilbrand@isicore.com" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;color:gray">maxemilian.hilbrand@isicore.com</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#767171"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#767171"><br></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#767171">isicore AG • <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/Unterlettenstrasse+14+%E2%80%A2+CH-9443+Widnau?entry=gmail&source=g">Unterlettenstrasse 14 • CH-9443 Widnau</a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#767171"><br></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#767171">Gerichtsstandort CH-9450 Altstätten, UID CHE-110.354.078<br>Verwaltungsratspräsident: Maxemilian Hilbrand<br><br></span><a href="http://www.isicore.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:gray">www.isicore.com</span></a><u><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:gray"> I  </span></u><a href="mailto:info@isicore.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:gray">info@isicore.com</span></a><u><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#767171"><u></u><u></u></span></u></p></div></div><div lang="DE" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_5528315437065380904WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>Von:</b> members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Lilia Carvalho via members-discuss<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2019 15:18<br><b>An:</b> Schnabeltier <<a href="mailto:ripe-member-discuss@cidr.eu" target="_blank">ripe-member-discuss@cidr.eu</a>>; <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I would vote for option B …<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td width="292" valign="top" style="width:219.0pt;padding:6.75pt 6.75pt 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.angolacables.com/?utm_campaign=AngolaCables&utm_source=Website&utm_medium=Traffic" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:none"><img border="0" src="cid:16f1e9a1964f5cbdbdf1" style="max-width: 100%;"></span></a><u></u><u></u></p></td><td width="3" style="width:2.25pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="207" style="width:155.25pt"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Melhores Cumprimentos / Kind Regards.</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#6bb8dc"><br>Lilia Carvalho</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#6bb8dc"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign="top" style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#3f3e3e">Especialista de Desenvolvimento de Negócio<br><em><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Business Development Specialist</span></em><u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign="top" style="padding:6.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3f3e3e">mob: +244927686185 <br>email:   <a href="mailto:lilia.carvalho@angolacables.co.ao" target="_blank">lilia.carvalho@angolacables.co.ao</a></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#3f3e3e"> </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3f3e3e"><br></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#6bb8dc"><a href="http://www.angolacables.co.ao" target="_blank"><span style="color:#6bb8dc;text-decoration:none">www.angolacables.co.ao </span></a><br>AS Number: 37468<br><br></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#3f3e3e"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT" style="display:none"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:15.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p><span style="font-size:6.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#585757"><a href="https://www.angolacables.co.ao/sacs/#utm_source=Website_AC&utm_medium=Servi%C3%A7os&utm_campaign=SACS" title="FutureCom" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:none"><img border="0" src="cid:16f1e9a1964722452f02" style="max-width: 100%;"></span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="font-size:6.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#585757">Antes de imprimir esta mensagem, pense no meio ambiente. | Please consider the environment before printing this email.<u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p><span style="font-size:6.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#b1b1b0">NOTA DE CONFIDENCIALIDADE: Esta mensagem (e eventuais ficheiros anexos) é confidencial e deverá ser lida apenas por aqueles a quem ela é dirigida. Se não é o destinatário da mesma, por favor, apague a mensagem do seu computador e destrua quaisquer cópias. É proibida a sua divulgação ou cópia sem a autorização da Angola Cables. <br>DISCLAIMER NOTICE: This message (and any files attached) is confidential and should only be read by those to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact Angola Cables or delete the message from your computer and destroy any copies. Any distribution or copying without our prior permission is prohibited.<u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Schnabeltier<br><b>Sent:</b> 19 de dezembro de 2019 10:38<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Dear colleagues,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><br>I think we have three options. I would vote for option B:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">A) Keeping the list.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">B) We would consider it as important to have a list of reliable brokers. The RIPE NCC would only publish information of brokers which are verified. If the majority would vote for this option, we have to find a solution how to verify the integrity of brokers.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">C) We do not consider a list of reliable brokers as important. While RIPE NCC cannot or does not want to validate the integrity of brokers at this moment, the list should be removed.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="PT" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span lang="PT" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><hr size="3" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span lang="PT" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="PT" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> Christian Kaufmann <<a href="http:///email/new/1/exec-board%40ripe.net" target="_blank">exec-board@ripe.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 19. Dec 2019 – 10:17 CET +0100<br><b>To:</b> <a href="http:///email/new/1/members-discuss%40ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br><br><b>Subject:</b> [members-discuss] Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">Dear RIPE NCC members,<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">The Executive Board has been following this discussion and we can see <u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">general agreement for a change in the way brokers are listed on the RIPE <u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">NCC's website.<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">The question is whether the RIPE NCC should remove the list entirely, or <u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">otherwise take steps to improve its approach. There are pros and cons <u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">with both options.<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">Removing the list is straightforward and would spare the RIPE NCC a few <u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">headaches. However, it is worth considering whether the current model <u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">provides some incentive for brokers to play by the rules and what might <u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">happen if this incentive is gone.<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">Conversely, it's clear that some brokers are still spamming RIPE <u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">Database contacts. Is this the only problem we are seeking to eliminate <u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">here, or are there others? Could an updated set of terms or a stricter <u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">approach by the RIPE NCC help to mitigate this?<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">Before the board makes its decision, we would like to hear your thoughts<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">on this list.<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">Kind regards,<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">Christian Kaufmann<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">RIPE NCC Executive Board Chairman<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860"><u></u> <u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">_______________________________________________<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">members-discuss mailing list<u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860"><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860"><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre><pre><span lang="PT" style="color:#173860">Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe-member-discuss%40cidr.eu" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe-member-discuss%40cidr.eu</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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