<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /></head><body style='font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif'> <p>Hello everyone.</p> <p>I would vote for option C for the following reasons:</p> <p>1st - Is not the job of RIPE NCC to check how brokers work and their integrity.<br />2nd - RIPE already does verifications for the transfers. Isn't that a double job? Yes. So, a broker is not needed at all.<br />3rd - Personally, i am totally against that list. Having a broker list would mean that someone is doing benefit on resource transfers.</p> <p>Transfers between different entities should be done under the RIPE contract terms (enterprise acquisitions or same enterprise having several LIRs and regrouping them) and NOT otherwise.<br />If someone has uneeded resources, these should be given back to RIPE. Those resources don't belong to that person/enterprise in first place.</p> <p>We have to keep in mind that all resources belong to RIPE and RIPE let us use them. <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">They are NOT OUR property!</span></strong></p> <p>Regards</p> <div id="signature">---<br /> <table> <tbody> <tr> <td><img src="cid:9fc0e43c0a275eb6a5dd9e6885b86d72@xervers.pt" alt="XRV" width="172" height="46" /></td> <td> <p style="text-align: center;">NOC xervers | +351 300 404 316<br /><span style="color: #009900;"><span style="font-family: webdings;">P</span> Please consider the environment before printing this email</span></p> </td> <td><a title="xervers" href="https://www.xervers.pt/"><img src="cid:f86205d1b3c91c845faefa8988508a73@xervers.pt" alt="Visit our website" width="32" height="32" /></a><a title="TrustPilot" href="https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.xervers.pt"><img src="cid:8c978722c96a96de9eaf14fbd407598d@xervers.pt" width="32" height="30" /></a><br /><a title="Visit us on Facebook" href="https://www.facebook.com/xervers/"><img src="cid:310b3adaffdc7fdb23d1adcc9d3295a2@xervers.pt" alt="Facebook" width="32" height="32" /></a><a title="Visit us on Twitter" href="https://twitter.com/xervers"><img src="cid:8c6cd4338d90ff7bb7410275c7efa58e@xervers.pt" alt="Twitter" width="32" height="32" /></a></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <p><br /></p> <p id="reply-intro">A 2019-12-19 10:37, Schnabeltier escreveu:</p> <blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"> <blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"> <div> <div style="font-family: Arial; text-align: left; font-size: 14px; color: #000000;">Dear colleagues,</div> <div style="font-family: Arial; text-align: left; font-size: 14px; color: #000000;"><br />I think we have three options. I would vote for option B:</div> <div style="font-family: Arial; text-align: left; font-size: 14px; color: #000000;"> </div> <div style="font-family: Arial; text-align: left; font-size: 14px; color: #000000;">A) Keeping the list.</div> <div style="font-family: Arial; text-align: left; font-size: 14px; color: #000000;"> </div> <div style="font-family: Arial; text-align: left; font-size: 14px; color: #000000;">B) We would consider it as important to have a list of reliable brokers. The RIPE NCC would only publish information of brokers which are verified. If the majority would vote for this option, we have to find a solution how to verify the integrity of brokers.</div> <div style="font-family: Arial; text-align: left; font-size: 14px; color: #000000;"> </div> <div style="font-family: Arial; text-align: left; font-size: 14px; color: #000000;">C) We do not consider a list of reliable brokers as important. While RIPE NCC cannot or does not want to validate the integrity of brokers at this moment, the list should be removed.</div> <div style="font-family: Arial; text-align: left; font-size: 14px; color: #000000;"> </div> <div style="font-family: Arial; text-align: left; font-size: 14px; color: #000000;"> </div> <div style="font-family: Arial; text-align: left; font-size: 14px; color: #000000;"> </div> <div style="font-family: Arial; text-align: left; font-size: 14px; color: #000000;"> </div> <div style="font-family: Arial; text-align: left; font-size: 14px; color: #000000;"><br /><hr style="border: 0; border-bottom: 1px solid #DADADA;" /><strong>From:</strong> Christian Kaufmann <<a href="./#NOP" rel="noreferrer">exec-board@ripe.net</a>><br /><strong>Sent:</strong> Thursday, 19. Dec 2019 – 10:17 CET +0100<br /><strong>To:</strong> <a href="./#NOP" rel="noreferrer">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br /><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> [members-discuss] Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List<br /><br /></div> <div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </blockquote> <style type="text/css">#replybody1 { font-family: "Arial"; font-size: 100% !important; margin: 0; line-height: 1.2rem; }</style> <blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0"> <div id="replybody1"> <div> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; color: #173860;">Dear RIPE NCC members, The Executive Board has been following this discussion and we can see general agreement for a change in the way brokers are listed on the RIPE NCC's website. The question is whether the RIPE NCC should remove the list entirely, or otherwise take steps to improve its approach. There are pros and cons with both options. Removing the list is straightforward and would spare the RIPE NCC a few headaches. However, it is worth considering whether the current model provides some incentive for brokers to play by the rules and what might happen if this incentive is gone. Conversely, it's clear that some brokers are still spamming RIPE Database contacts. Is this the only problem we are seeking to eliminate here, or are there others? Could an updated set of terms or a stricter approach by the RIPE NCC help to mitigate this? Before the board makes its decision, we would like to hear your thoughts on this list. Kind regards, Christian Kaufmann RIPE NCC Executive Board Chairman _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe-member-discuss%40cidr.eu </pre> </div> </div> <br /> <div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">_______________________________________________<br />members-discuss mailing list<br /><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br /><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><br />Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40xervers.pt" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40xervers.pt</a></div> </blockquote> </body></html>