<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">They are available in the member (LIR) portal<o:p></o:p></span></b></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bora Ismen<br> <b>Sent:</b> 26 February 2020 19:07<br> <b>To:</b> 'Together pal' <info@together-pal.com>; 'Dominic Schallert' <ds@schallert.com><br> <b>Cc:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Not yet, there is 2 more business days in February, and we have not received any invoices yet. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Together pal<br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:41 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Dominic Schallert <<a href="mailto:ds@schallert.com">ds@schallert.com</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Did anyone got the invoice for 2020 fees??<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks <o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:39 PM Dominic Schallert <<a href="mailto:ds@schallert.com">ds@schallert.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">I can‘t understand why the surplus redistribution in 2019 had been EUR 567,52 and in 2020 it’s only EUR 353,82 per LIR. This does not match with the actual new-LIR development figures in 2019 according to <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__labs.ripe.net_statistics_number-2Dof-2Dlirs&d=DwMFaQ&c=gYbc-GKV5BQa9zrq1GFCVg&r=S1PZn0PYDDYtiCW2fix2C1ZHo8KzLAckyehxqI4wl20&m=aa4caioPw4-cAEiv-4z0w1putGQ2GlC6jT7VBV7s3ic&s=BNpi6cGdcPmp9wP7gk0eut42luQ16YBpZ-5iUyKyr38&e=" target="_blank">https://labs.ripe.net/statistics/number-of-lirs</a><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">Am 26.02.2020 um 15:26 schrieb Radu-Adrian Feurdean <<a href="mailto:ripe-ncc@radu-adrian.feurdean.net" target="_blank">ripe-ncc@radu-adrian.feurdean.net</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, at 21:41, Arash Naderpour wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">It doesn't looks fair to me, but you need to see enough support from<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">the memebers to change it, NCC also like easy money, same as many of<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">others.<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">...and as most of its members who do enjoy the redistribution (when there is one) the next year.<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">Back to the initial question, the membership fee *IS* pro-rated when you *open* the LIR, sometimes to the advantage of the new member (not including an extra quarter for up to 2 or 3 weeks only).<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">If you perform a merger via "M&A Process", the rules are pretty clear that both LIRs involved need to be with membership fees paid. Even if you would manage to propose a resolution to change this, I'm not sure it will pass.<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">members-discuss mailing list<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ripe.net_mailman_listinfo_members-2Ddiscuss&d=DwMFaQ&c=gYbc-GKV5BQa9zrq1GFCVg&r=S1PZn0PYDDYtiCW2fix2C1ZHo8KzLAckyehxqI4wl20&m=aa4caioPw4-cAEiv-4z0w1putGQ2GlC6jT7VBV7s3ic&s=d1LkUK24LmPTBWNb5TLp4yqLyp5-BK0DrBFEBKI7Dm0&e=" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal">Unsubscribe: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ripe.net_mailman_options_members-2Ddiscuss_ds-2540schallert.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=gYbc-GKV5BQa9zrq1GFCVg&r=S1PZn0PYDDYtiCW2fix2C1ZHo8KzLAckyehxqI4wl20&m=aa4caioPw4-cAEiv-4z0w1putGQ2GlC6jT7VBV7s3ic&s=HwoU8eY3w3AU5XZ5gTfCcP-Xu45N18vxA3wEd_Y7gIw&e=" target="_blank"> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ds%40schallert.com</a><o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br> members-discuss mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ripe.net_mailman_listinfo_members-2Ddiscuss&d=DwMFaQ&c=gYbc-GKV5BQa9zrq1GFCVg&r=S1PZn0PYDDYtiCW2fix2C1ZHo8KzLAckyehxqI4wl20&m=aa4caioPw4-cAEiv-4z0w1putGQ2GlC6jT7VBV7s3ic&s=d1LkUK24LmPTBWNb5TLp4yqLyp5-BK0DrBFEBKI7Dm0&e=" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><br> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ripe.net_mailman_options_members-2Ddiscuss_info-2540together-2Dpal.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=gYbc-GKV5BQa9zrq1GFCVg&r=S1PZn0PYDDYtiCW2fix2C1ZHo8KzLAckyehxqI4wl20&m=aa4caioPw4-cAEiv-4z0w1putGQ2GlC6jT7VBV7s3ic&s=Z7jHCfLAxnS3H3OvFyOyczqNlpee1NbMin5PLkRZUts&e=" target="_blank"> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/info%40together-pal.com</a><o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>