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Nevin,</div>
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You are clearly full of interests.</div>
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"<font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt">b) find out that your "easy" solutions even if they make it through the RFC process likely will never be fully implemented by enough people to have an impact anytime within the next 10 to 15 years.</span></font>"</div>
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If you don't know how to resolve the internet problems that affects all of us you should not disturb people who are doing it.</div>
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What I'm writing fits under "<font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt">related matters.</span></font>"<br>
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There are people in Ripe that are trying to shut me up including you and you will not succeed.<br>
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Respectfully,</div>
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Elad<br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Nevin Lyne <nevin@arcustech.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [SPAM] Technical Solution to resolve the global "Email Spam" problem</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Elad,<br>
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Please stop this. It is very clear here: <a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/membership-mailing-lists">
https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/membership-mailing-lists</a> what this mailing lists purpose is:<br>
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"Purpose<br>
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To enable RIPE NCC members to discuss membership-related issues that affect them and to facilitate members' input into RIPE NCC General Meetings and related matters."<br>
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Your posts are not membership related issues in reference to RIPE itself. You are seem to believe that if its a technical issue related to the whole of the Internet, this is the place to discuss it.<br>
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This is the 2nd subject line from you in two days I have had to tell my email client to delete now if it comes from this mailing list and contains your subject line, because to me, at this point, you are spamming this mailing list.<br>
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IF you want your technical ideas to be heard and discussed, how about you go over to
<a href="https://www.rfc-editor.org/">https://www.rfc-editor.org/</a> and learn what you need to do to draft an Internet RFC on the subjects, which is the only place you are going to get a) a global audience, and b) find out that your "easy" solutions even
if they make it through the RFC process likely will never be fully implemented by enough people to have an impact anytime within the next 10 to 15 years.<br>
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Thank you.<br>
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-Nevin<br>
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On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Elad Cohen wrote:<br>
> Hello Ben,<br>
> <br>
> Thank you very much.<br>
> <br>
> I don't believe that spamming will ever stop (if there is one thing <br>
> that we can count on that will never change is human nature - and sadly <br>
> people here believe that spammers will just stop spamming at some <br>
> point), if spam will be defeated by email then spamming will be done <br>
> with sms messages or by phone, currently electronic mail is the most <br>
> profitable so it is most abused, and the current approaches to this <br>
> problem are completely wrong - "The Spamhaus Project" are chasing after <br>
> their tail, shooting everywhere, and not resolving the problem for many <br>
> years.<br>
> <br>
> "I hope everyone has a good rest of the weekend." - Yes, I'm making sure of it.<br>
> <br>
> Everyone need to stay tuned because there is a new technical solution <br>
> for tomorrow (how to dramatically lower DDoS attacks, a beautiful one).<br>
> <br>
> Respectfully,<br>
> Elad<br>
> *From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of <br>
> Ben Fitzgerald-O'Connor <Ben.Fitzgerald@Onega.net><br>
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:52 PM<br>
> *To:* Silvan Gebhardt <silvan@unavailable.online>; <br>
> members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net><br>
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [SPAM] Technical Solution to resolve <br>
> the global "Email Spam" problem <br>
> Hi All,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I generally lurk here but a small comment on this..<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Reading the thread, my humble opinion:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> @Elad � noting the comments, I think I do agree that email problems / <br>
> solutions might be better submitted as an RFC <br>
> (<a href="https://www.ietf.org/standards/rfcs/">https://www.ietf.org/standards/rfcs/</a>) .. Ripe is a LIR mainly tasked
<br>
> with administering IP number resources. � At the same time, I do love <br>
> your obvious passion for addressing problems and looking freshly at <br>
> possible solutions. Regarding the upcoming election � I have just had a <br>
> look at the page with Candidate Biographies to judge a little how I <br>
> might vote � at <br>
> <a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-biographies">
https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-biographies</a> .. and I can�t see you there, so would suggest please to submit / add a biography if this is not already in the works (and I hope all candidates do too).
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> <br>
> <br>
> NB � be careful that if you do come up with a solution to fix spam once <br>
> and for all then beware that you also put a USD $10 Billion value on <br>
> your own head (this is the rough value annually of the anti-spam <br>
> industry!) (Comment partly in jest, partly from experience and <br>
> observation). <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I hope everyone has a good rest of the weekend.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Regards<br>
> <br>
> Ben<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> *From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf <br>
> Of *Silvan Gebhardt<br>
> *Sent:* 26 April 2020 17:33<br>
> *To:* members-discuss@ripe.net<br>
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [SPAM] Technical Solution to resolve <br>
> the global "Email Spam" problem<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Hi Michael, <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> this is not about any technical solution. This is Elad trying to <br>
> position himself for the upcoming election. <br>
> <br>
> This is an election campaign. Nothing more.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/confirmed-candidates">
https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/confirmed-candidates</a><br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Elon, just save your next typing. You will immead scream that I am <br>
> running an "illegal cyber defamation campaign" against you. Sure. <br>
> whatever.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Silvan<br>
> <br>
> On 4/26/20 4:22 PM, info@cowmedia.de wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > Sorry Elad, <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> > i know ist Sunday and some members of this mailling list have more time as on a busy working day but are you really again (see the other topic) posting an idea in this list were we cannot do anything about this?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> > You try to find or present solutions to problems that doesnt exist. While you think a lot on your ideas technically, please note that this is only 1/3 of the things you need to take care of.
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> <br>
> > In this specific case you want to outsource the servers job of filtering SPAM out competely to the client. This is not how this was designed. You are thinking that email clients always have a UI or at least some bigger code behind it that is able to do
a lot of stuff. There exist email clients in the world that have only <100 lines of code and are only text based (as email is from the ground up).
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> <br>
> <br>
> > We are completely the wrong audience group for your emails. <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> > Michael<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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