<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="FI" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hello<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I promised, nothing more on the topic. And there aint. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Many are trying to unsubscribe and many are accusing someone trying to unsubscribe them without permission/to do harm etc. I think this is simply a simple misunderstanding. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">When there people who say they hit time and time again the unsubscribe button and nothing helps I think you are pressing these links on the emails for example:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">>_______________________________________________<br> >members-discuss mailing list<br> ></span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span lang="EN-GB"><br> ></span><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</span></a><span lang="EN-GB"><br> >Unsubscribe: </span><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe-md%40c4inet.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe-md%40c4inet.net</span></a><span lang="EN-GB"><br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> members-discuss mailing list<br> </span><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB">members-discuss@ripe.net</span></a><span lang="EN-GB"><br> </span><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</span></a><span lang="EN-GB"><br> Unsubscribe: </span><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re</span></a><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This is now the last rows on this matter. If I would just press this and hope to be unsubscribed, it would maybe not happen. I would try to unsubscribe Cyntia I guess? I would be left wondering that I didn’t get out of the list and Cynthia would be sending Spy´s and police after my IP </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">😊</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> Atleast im quite sure those both cant work. Either both are not working for *<b>ME</b>* or only one of them is working… Or then I can only unsubscribe after I have actually sent a message and I might then get this unsub link which would work for me? <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">br. Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Lähettäjä:</b> members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> <b>Puolesta </b>Elad Cohen<br> <b>Lähetetty:</b> maanantai 27. huhtikuuta 2020 13.59<br> <b>Vastaanottaja:</b> Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re>; Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md@c4inet.net><br> <b>Kopio:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net<br> <b>Aihe:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Cynthia,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The sick person which you are referring to and is your colleague from "The Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many many months, here in Ripe and in Nanog, he called me by many names without a single proof. He was called an antisemitic and a racist not by me - but by people which are not related to me in Nanog. After many months I provided an official response in Ripe. I didn't hear your voice when he defamed me for many many months with him calling me by many names. So obviously your interests are hidden.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I didn't hear your voice regarding your sick colleague initial message with name callings towards me when I only replied to his attack on me. And his personal attack on me is exactly like your personal attack on me now - you are afraid that an alternative solution to "The Spamhaus Project" will be implemented if I will be elected.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Respectfully,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Elad<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"> <hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"> </div> <div id="divRplyFwdMsg"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> on behalf of Cynthia Revström <<a href="mailto:me@cynthia.re">me@cynthia.re</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Sascha Luck [ml] <<a href="mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net">ripe-md@c4inet.net</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a> <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails</span> <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">> The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality"<br> on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs'<br> responsibility. <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and members-discuss is a mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE NCC membership related topics, so I think they certainly have business enforcing people to be professional on this mailing list.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on different mailing lists ignored the WG chairs.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing lists that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as such I think it is their business to keep them to a professional standard.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">> If I'm wrong, where do<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal">I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the<br> community? <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">There should not be a long list of people, but when someone is behaving unprofessionally, calling people "coconut", being defamatory towards the RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do think that they have gone too far and everything has a limit.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the mailing list as an example, aka limits on what is allowed.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">- Cynthia<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml] <<a href="mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net">ripe-md@c4inet.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia Revstrm wrote:<br> >I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting<br> >with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant<br> >disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in<br> >the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the<br> >RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove<br> >those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.<br> <br> The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality"<br> on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs'<br> responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should determine who can<br> be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm wrong, where do<br> I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the<br> community? <br> I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing I've yet<br> seen in this thread.<br> <br> rgds,<br> Sascha Luck <br> <br> ><br> >- Cynthia<br> <br> >_______________________________________________<br> >members-discuss mailing list<br> ><a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> ><a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><br> >Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe-md%40c4inet.net" target="_blank"> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe-md%40c4inet.net</a><br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> members-discuss mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" target="_blank">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br> <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss</a><br> Unsubscribe: <a href="https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re" target="_blank"> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re</a><o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>