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<p>Is there any good guy that can exclude me from this conversation?</p>
<p>It seems the unsubscribe link I used several times doesn't work
and, to be honest over 170 messages from this group in last two
days it's really too much</p>
<p>thanks fof your comprehension<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 27/04/20 13:50, Cynthia Revström ha
scritto:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Elad,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There are 3 major differences I see here,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1. rfg presents lots of evidence that you would have been
involved in shady things (I am not sure if they are true and
frankly I don't have time currently to look at all of the
documents)</div>
<div>Meanwhile you are saying that people are part of "The
illegal anonymous Spamhaus Project" just because they disagree
with you, and as you have said that I am involved in Spamhaus,
I would like for you to give me any proof that I am involved
with spamhaus in any way (which I am not).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2. rfg called you a "crook", which means dishonest or
illegal, which would be true if the things rfg stated are in
fact true. Meanwhile you called rfg a "coconut" which can't be
anything other than an insult referring to you thinking he is
dumb.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>3. rfg called you a "crook" once in a long email after
describing why he thinks you are a "crook", meanwhile you sent
an email that I have posted in its entirety below.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>> START</div>
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<pre style="box-sizing:border-box;overflow:auto;font-family:Menlo,Monaco,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace;font-size:13px;padding:9.5px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:10px;line-height:1.42857;color:rgb(51,51,51);word-break:keep-all;background-color:rgb(245,245,245);border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);border-radius:4px;white-space:pre-wrap">Michael,
Ronald didn't insult me because he is mentally-illed, and he is doing it only because I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which Coconut Guilmette and Cheerleader Nussbacher are part of.
Respectfully,
Elad</pre>
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<div>> END</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please just stop it Elad.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now I still think it was wrong of rfg to use that word, but
it is not at all the same thing in my eyes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Cynthia</div>
</div>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:36
PM Elad Cohen <<a href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io"
moz-do-not-send="true">elad@netstyle.io</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><a
href="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2019-September/005301.html"
id="gmail-m_698247249341477020LPlnk652420"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2019-September/005301.html</a></div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">These
are all complete lies only because I found out who are the
real people behind "The Spamhaus Project"</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">You
can see how he is calling me there</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Everything
there are lies and fake, the "source" for the fake media
report is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and also an
employee of a direct competitor (that enjoyed from that
fake media report) of a company which used the netblock,
and the "source" is also the owner of that criminal
twitter account: <a
href="https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach"
id="gmail-m_698247249341477020LPNoLP416597"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach</a> , he is a master
of cyber influence operations according to his own words
in his criminal twitter account and also a member of your
cyber-security community.<br>
</div>
<br>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Respectfully,</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Elad<br>
</div>
<hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id="gmail-m_698247249341477020divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font
style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif"
color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Cynthia Revström <<a
href="mailto:me@cynthia.re" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">me@cynthia.re</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 27, 2020 2:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Elad Cohen <<a
href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">elad@netstyle.io</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>
<<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad
Cohen's nomination and emails</font>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Elad, please send me an archive link to the
specific email on a RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing list where RFG
called you a rude name.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Cynthia</div>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:12 PM Elad
Cohen <<a href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">elad@netstyle.io</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">He
called me with antisemitic names many times and on
many working groups and you said nothing, you
claim not to see his messages, but you clearly saw
all of my messages and you are monitoring me
pretty well. I'm sorry but I don't believe you,
specially when you are attacking me personally so
heavily with distorting the facts. You clearly so
the word coconut - so you also saw what I shared
on the same post that he wrote on other groups of
people and that he was called a racist and an
antisemitic - but you decided to ignore this as
well, so you didn't read my whole post - you read
only the word 'coconut' and you decided to jump in
?</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Cynthia,
please spread your lies somewhere else.<br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Respectfully,</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Elad<br>
</div>
<hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div
id="gmail-m_698247249341477020x_gmail-m_7564215560973186957divRplyFwdMsg"
dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
Cynthia Revström <<a
href="mailto:me@cynthia.re" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">me@cynthia.re</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 27, 2020 2:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Elad Cohen <<a
href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">elad@netstyle.io</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>
<<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Regarding
Elad Cohen's nomination and emails</font>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Elad, first of all, I am not an
employee or in any way related to Spamhaus, and
I doubt many of the people you have suggested
are part of it have anything to do with it
either.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And because I have things to do that are
not spending my entire days on RIPE mailing
lists I guess I missed RFG calling you names,
but I will assure you that if I was on those
discussions I would call him out if he called
you a "coconut" or similar.</div>
<div>Also just because someone has called you
names on mailing lists doesn't mean you get to
call them names on mailing lists.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Cynthia</div>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:58 PM
Elad Cohen <<a
href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">elad@netstyle.io</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
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<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Cynthia,</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">The
sick person which you are referring to and
is your colleague from "The Spamhaus
Project", defamed me for many many months,
here in Ripe and in Nanog, he called me by
many names without a single proof. He was
called an antisemitic and a racist not by
me - but by people which are not related
to me in Nanog. After many months I
provided an official response in Ripe. I
didn't hear your voice when he defamed me
for many many months with him calling me
by many names. So obviously your interests
are hidden.<br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">In
the other working groups - I only replied
to him, and I didn't hear your voice
regarding your sick colleague initial
message with name callings towards me when
I only replied to his attack on me. And
his personal attack on me is exactly like
your personal attack on me now - you are
afraid that an alternative solution to
"The Spamhaus Project" will be implemented
if I will be elected.<br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Respectfully,</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Elad<br>
</div>
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color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
members-discuss <<a
href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>>
on behalf of Cynthia Revström <<a
href="mailto:me@cynthia.re"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">me@cynthia.re</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sascha Luck [ml] <<a
href="mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ripe-md@c4inet.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>
<<a
href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss]
Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and
emails</font>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">> The RIPE *NCC* has no
business either enforcing
"professionality"<br>
on the *community* mailing lists - this
is the WG chairs'<br>
responsibility.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>AFAIK there are no WG chairs of
members-discuss and members-discuss is
a mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts
to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE
NCC membership related topics, so I
think they certainly have business
enforcing people to be professional on
this mailing list.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would also like to add that Elad
has multiple times on different
mailing lists ignored the WG chairs.</div>
<div>Also this is happening across a
variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing lists
that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC
and as such I think it is their
business to keep them to a
professional standard.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>> If I'm wrong, where do</div>
I submit the list of people I'd like to
see excluded from the<br>
community?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There should not be a long list of
people, but when someone is behaving
unprofessionally, calling people
"coconut", being defamatory towards
the RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do
think that they have gone too far and
everything has a limit.</div>
<div>Like we wouldn't allow someone to
send sales emails to the mailing list
as an example, aka limits on what is
allowed.</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Cynthia</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at
12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml] <<a
href="mailto:ripe-md@c4inet.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ripe-md@c4inet.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM
+0200, Cynthia Revstrm wrote:<br>
>I would like to propose that the
RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from
interacting<br>
>with the RIPE Community (via
Meetings or mailing lists) due to his
blatant<br>
>disregard for the Code of Conduct
and for being hostile towards others
in<br>
>the community. As the RIPE NCC
hosts and manages these lists I think
the<br>
>RIPE NCC has a responsibility to
keep the lists professional and to
remove<br>
>those who repeatedly ignore what
the WG chairs are saying.<br>
<br>
The RIPE *NCC* has no business either
enforcing "professionality"<br>
on the *community* mailing lists -
this is the WG chairs'<br>
responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC
should determine who can<br>
be a member of the RIPE community or
not. If I'm wrong, where do<br>
I submit the list of people I'd like
to see excluded from the<br>
community? <br>
I think this proposal is the most
out-of-order thing I've yet<br>
seen in this thread.<br>
<br>
rgds,<br>
Sascha Luck <br>
<br>
><br>
>- Cynthia<br>
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