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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7-5-2020 17:36, Emanuele Roserba
(Tinext) wrote:<br>
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lang="EN-US">As a member of the �silent majority� I agree
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that I endorse in any way �the positions of the �flooder�.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Perhaps a good reason to register for voting.<br>
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--Willem Jan<br>
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Engineer</span></span><br style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> members-discuss
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sebastian Wiesinger<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 7, 2020 3:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] Placing
Members-Discuss in Moderation<br>
<b>Importance:</b> High<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 4. May 2020, at 10:06, Chris
Izzard <<a href="mailto:chris.izzard@imcisland.is"
moz-do-not-send="true">chris.izzard@imcisland.is</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Menlo-Regular",serif">Dear
Piotr,<br>
<span class="apple-tab-span">��������������
��������������� </span>Reading this it sounds great
at first but whatever you do to stop such huge email
chains will always look like censorship whatever you
like to call it. Such email lists do depend on the
behaviour of everyone to follow a code but in practice
this is usually not 100% possible.<br>
Yes it seemed that the email list was mostly in favour
of censoring one person but the reality is that the
vast majority just watched on and said nothing. In
practice censoring damages the democratic credentials
of this group because a small number of people have
made the decision to do this and an even smaller
number of people will police it.<br>
This action has put the Executive Board in a dangerous
position open to all kinds of criticism and the email
chain contained some pretty bad claims like
Anti-Semitism.<br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0,
0);font-variant-caps:
normal;text-align:start;-webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;word-spacing:0px">
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</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I see no dangerous position right now.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1) The moderation is for a limited time<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2) You can still see all moderated
mails at�<a
href="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss-unmoderated/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss-unmoderated/</a>�so
there is no censorship<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3) Multiple calls to adhere to the code
of conduct and the topic of the mailinglist were
completely ignored on purpose (in my opinion with
malicious intent)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">4) The "small group of people" is the
executive board that we democratically voted on, so I
don't see how this is undemocratic. I would even say this
is exactly the type of issue that the board should decide<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On the contrary I (and expect other
people) did not say anything as to not contribute to the
flood of mails. I'm very grateful that this list is now
moderated and I hope that this can be lifted after the
election.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also, just make to make it clear:
"freedom of expression" should prevent the government from
censoring you, it does not prevent you from getting
moderated on some mailinglist. On the contrary most
countries have rules that limit freedom of expression and
this mailinglist has rules as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sebastian<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>�</o:p></p>
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