<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear members,<br class=""><br class="">Thank you for your comments. Based on your input, we have reviewed our<br class="">procedures and we can address your concerns.<br class=""><br class="">Any valid request made before the end of 2020 to close an LIR account<br class="">will mean that the account in question will not be charged in 2021.<br class="">Policy transfers and changes in business structure that lead to the<br class="">closure of an LIR account will also not be charged in 2021 provided the<br class="">request is made to us with all necessary information before the end of<br class="">the year and the intention to close the account is confirmed to us in<br class="">our follow-up communication to the request. With policy transfers, the<br class="">resources must be transferable at the time of the request.<br class=""><br class="">Automated invoices will be corrected for valid requests processed after<br class="">31 December 2020. But we kindly ask you to complete closure requests,<br class="">policy transfers and notifications of changes in business structure in<br class="">time so we avoid sending the automated invoice in Q1 2021. This reduces<br class="">unnecessary administrative burden for ourselves and for members.<br class=""><br class="">We will communicate this information to all members. If you still need<br class="">any further information, do not hesitate to contact us at <<a href="mailto:ncc@ripe.net" class="">ncc@ripe.net</a>>.<br class=""><br class="">Kind regards,<br class=""><div class="">Henriette van Ingen </div><div class="">Registry Services Assistant Manager</div><div class="">RIPE NCC</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 16 Nov 2020, at 16:28, Marcel Edler (<a href="http://Optimate-Server.de" class="">Optimate-Server.de</a>) <<a href="mailto:medler@optimate-server.de" class="">medler@optimate-server.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class=""><p class="">I also doubt that its legal, that it depends on the working-speed
of RIPE itself if you need to pay a new year or not.<br class="">
Even if I send the closure-request on 31. December 23:45 o clock,
then my request is done in the last year and<br class="">
every judge will agree. Its not the members problem, if RIPE takes
until new year to process the request.</p><p class="">Or is there any rule, that me as a member have to accept this
process, that it depends on the working-speed and "god-will" to
accept my documents,<br class="">
if I need to pay a additional year or not? <br class="">
</p><p class="">Anyways the RIPE will send the invoices for the coming year in
February or March, so there is still a lot of time for RIPE to
exempt LIRs from getting invoiced<br class="">
where a closure process is started before new-year. So I really
dont understand the reason why make it such complicated.<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 16.11.20 um 16:09 schrieb Aleksey
Bulgakov:<br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">I also want to merge my LIRs but the hold period
ends on the 28th of December. So, should I pay for 2021? May
be community will cancel this restriction for transfers
between accounts of one organisation because there is the wait
list to receive a new allocation anyway and this restriction
doesn't have sense.<br class="">
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">пн, 16 нояб. 2020 г.,
17:02 Sergey Myasoedov via members-discuss <<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>>:<br class="">
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Henriette,<br class="">
<br class="">
Thank you for this timely notification.<br class="">
<br class="">
I got a question from our community. If an LIR (or
multi-LIR) has<br class="">
received their IPv4 network in December 2018 and would
like to make a<br class="">
transfer in 2020, they should submit a request with the
MyLIR portal<br class="">
no earlier than 731 day after initial allocation,
otherwise the system<br class="">
will not allow the transfer request.<br class="">
And this mean an invoice for 2021 will be received by the
LIR and no<br class="">
transfer will be possible until full payment.<br class="">
Does this situation reflect the reality? Will the LIR
carry extra<br class="">
expenses?<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
-- <br class="">
Kind regards,<br class="">
Sergey Myasoedov<br class="">
<br class="">
You wrote Monday, November 16, 2020, 1:38:00 PM:<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
> Dear RIPE NCC members,<br class="">
<br class="">
> We would like to inform you that a request to close
an LIR account<br class="">
> or any request that will result in the closure of an
LIR account<br class="">
> should be submitted in full before 1 December 2020.
This includes<br class="">
> closures that result from policy transfers and
changes in business<br class="">
> structures. Any requests submitted after this date
mean that you could be invoiced for 2021.<br class="">
<br class="">
> The request should contain all the requested
information and<br class="">
> documents in order for the RIPE NCC to process it
before the end of<br class="">
> the year. An overview of the required documents can
be found at: <br class="">
> <a href="https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/required-documents-for-registry-updates" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/required-documents-for-registry-updates</a><br class="">
<br class="">
> For requests resulting in the closure of an LIR
account that are<br class="">
> submitted later than 1 December 2020, or requests
that are<br class="">
> incomplete, we can not guarantee that the LIR account
will be closed<br class="">
> before 31 December 2020. Invoices for 2021 will be
issued for LIR<br class="">
> accounts still open on 1 January 2021.<br class="">
<br class="">
> Best Regards,<br class="">
<br class="">
> Henriette van Ingen <br class="">
> Registry Services Assistant Manager <br class="">
> RIPE NCC<br class="">
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