<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I understand everything, but why should Russian and European citizens lose out, who have done nothing? <div dir="ltr"><blockquote type="cite">Il giorno 5 mar 2022, alle ore 13:06, alex <alex@mac3.ru> ha scritto: </blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">  <title>Reply: Re: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG</title> <style> a{text-decoration:none} u{text-decoration:none} </style> <div id="vivoContainer"> <div id="vivoBody">It is funny to watch how some sponsoring LIR members, who receive money from Russian companies display hate against Russia. Feeling comfortable sitting on two chairs, eh? </div> <div id="vivoSign" style="margin-top: 1em;"><div class="vivo_sign" id="vivo_1" style="text-align:left;background-color:#FFF;border-radius:12px;margin:12px 22px 20px 22px;width:auto;overflow:hidden;word-wrap:break-word;word-break: break-all;"> <table width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td class="vivo_left" style="text-align:left;padding-top:28px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:28px;"> <div style="minHeight:30px;padding-bottom:5px;width:100%;padding:0px;text-align:left;"> Alexey Berezhnev CEO </div> <div style="color:#B2B2B2;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;text-align:left;line-height:18px;word-wrap:break-word;"> <div class="vivo_compnay"> MACTREE SYSTEMS </div> <div class="vivo_tel">  <a href="tel:79032697800">79032697800</a> </div> <div class="vivo_email">  <a href="mailto:alex@mac3.ru">alex@mac3.ru</a> </div> </div> </td> <td style="text-align:center;vertical-align:middle;width:40px;padding:0px;"> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div></div> </div> <div class="quote"> <blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 0ex;border-left:0px;padding-left:0ex"> <div><div>oh those sweet dreams…….</div><div> </div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #0857A6; margin:10px; padding:0 0 0 10px;">Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk. Krantz <<a href="mailto:mikael@noackgroup.se">mikael@noackgroup.se</a>>: <div id=""><div class="js-helper js-readmsg-msg"><div><div id="style_16464734591271292249_BODY">I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country. Just shut them down. Regards mikael krantz -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: members-discuss <<a href="/compose?To=members%2ddiscuss%2dbounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> För alex Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 10:30 Till: members-discuss <<a href="/compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>> Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances. > When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I > cant't believe my eyes. > > The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely > different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. > Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, > cluster bombs kill children. > > And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality. > > If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm > them. Go to work! > > -- > Stary Bezpiek > > Слава Україні! > русский корабль иди нахуй! > > W dniu <a href="tel:05.03.2022">05.03.2022</a> o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze: > > > > The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The > > Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE > > standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel > > isolated. Close all ties with Russia. > > > > George Porter > > > > ins 100x120 > > > > Integrated Network Services Ltd > > > > <a href="tel:01928238390">01928 238390</a> > > > > <a href="tel:07956592260">07956592260</a> > > > > <a href="/compose?To=george.porter@in%2dservices.co.uk">george.porter@in-services.co.uk</a> > > > > SUPPLY - INSTALL - SUPPORT > > > > <a href="http://www.in-services.co.uk" target="_blank">www.in-services.co.uk</a> <<a href="http://www.in-services.co.uk" target="_blank">http://www.in-services.co.uk</a>> > > > > This message contains confidential information and is intended only > > for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you > > should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please > > notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this > > e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. 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Registered in England <a href="tel:7360277">7360277</a>. > > > > *From:*members-discuss <<a href="/compose?To=members%2ddiscuss%2dbounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> *On Behalf > > Of *C A > > *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 > > *To:* NOC <<a href="/compose?To=noc@medsigroup.ru">noc@medsigroup.ru</a>> > > *Cc:* ENOG <<a href="/compose?To=enog@ripe.net">enog@ripe.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:discuss@enog.org">discuss@enog.org</a>; Members Discuss > > <<a href="/compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>>; RIPE Programme Committee <<a href="/compose?To=pc@ripe.net">pc@ripe.net</a>>; > > <a href="mailto:support@voks.ua">support@voks.ua</a>; ENOG Programme Committee <<a href="/compose?To=pc@enog.org">pc@enog.org</a>>; > > <a href="/compose?To=exec%2dboard@ripe.net">exec-board@ripe.net</a> > > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox? > > > > The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair. > > > > If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack > > of participation. > > > > Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains. > > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <<a href="/compose?To=noc@medsigroup.ru">noc@medsigroup.ru</a>> wrote: > > > > Спасибо, что поправили. > > ? > > > > > > С уважением, > > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > > > Руководитель проектов > > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > > Блока по информационным технологиям > > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > > тел. <a href="tel:+7(495)737-07-93">+7 (495) 737-07-93</a> доб. <a href="tel:11011">11011</a> > > моб.<a href="tel:+7(915)119-89-58">+7 (915) 119-89-58</a> > > > > <a href="http://www.medsi.ru" target="_blank">www.medsi.ru</a> <<a href="http://www.medsi.ru" target="_blank">http://www.medsi.ru</a>> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: <a href="/compose?To=ripe@voks.ua">ripe@voks.ua</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ripe@voks.ua">ripe@voks.ua</a>] > > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM > > To: NOC <<a href="/compose?To=noc@medsigroup.ru">noc@medsigroup.ru</a>> > > Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <<a href="/compose?To=nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com">nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com</a>>; > > <a href="mailto:exec-board@ripe.net">exec-board@ripe.net</a>; ENOG <<a href="/compose?To=enog@ripe.net">enog@ripe.net</a>>; <a href="mailto:discuss@enog.org">discuss@enog.org</a>; > > Members Discuss <<a href="/compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>>; RIPE Programme > > Committee <<a href="/compose?To=pc@ripe.net">pc@ripe.net</a>>; ENOG Programme Committee <<a href="/compose?To=pc@enog.org">pc@enog.org</a>> > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не > > так ли? > > > > -- > > <a href="http://www.voks.ua" target="_blank">www.voks.ua</a> <<a href="http://www.voks.ua" target="_blank">http://www.voks.ua</a>> > > > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > > > Добрый вечер! > > > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > > > > > > > С уважением, > > > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > > > > > Руководитель проектов > > > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > > > Блока по информационным технологиям > > > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > > > тел. <a href="tel:+7(495)737-07-93">+7 (495) 737-07-93</a> доб. <a href="tel:11011">11011</a> > > > <a href="http://www.medsi.ru" target="_blank">www.medsi.ru</a> <<a href="http://www.medsi.ru" target="_blank">http://www.medsi.ru</a>> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: members-discuss > >[mailto:<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] On > > > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > > > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > > > To: <a href="mailto:exec-board@ripe.net">exec-board@ripe.net</a>; ENOG <<a href="/compose?To=enog@ripe.net">enog@ripe.net</a>>; > ><a href="mailto:discuss@enog.org">discuss@enog.org</a>; > > > Members Discuss <<a href="/compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>>; RIPE Programme > > Committee > > > <<a href="/compose?To=pc@ripe.net">pc@ripe.net</a>>; ENOG Programme Committee <<a href="/compose?To=pc@enog.org">pc@enog.org</a>> > > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of > > ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > > > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, > > reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official > > position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > > > > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult > >emotional > > state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their > > ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this > >matter > > in the fall. > > > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > > > > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > > > > > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > > > Peace, > > > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will > >ever > > be, — > > > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network > > Operators > > > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that > > the RIPE > > > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the > > potential > > > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the > >RIPE > > > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating > > Ukrainian, > > > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), > >the > > > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way > >it > > could > > > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a > >programme > > for > > > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually > > recognized as > > > > ENOG at the time. > > > > > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, > >we > > > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile > > attacks_, > > > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote > > in the PC. > > > > > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I > >don't > > > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire > >RIPE > > > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further > >due > > > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the > >RIPE > > > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board > >to > > decide > > > > on 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