<div>Your ostensible hysteria is so disgusting.</div><div>You are a very poor performer.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>06.03.2022, 00:25, "Alexander Shikov" <a.shikov@itcons.net.ua>:</div><blockquote>I don't give a shit what you or other russia-supportes will think about me. The only thing I care about right now, is when your smelly army leaves my country. Since 2014, when Russia annexed Crimea and created so-called DPR and LPR with the hands of its puppets and regular army, we were too polite. We took care of community, we respected RIPE neutrality, and so on. Someone should remember a case from 2014, when RIPE NCC allocated resources to non-existent entity from so-called DPR. But you see, the problem of russians is that they admit only their position. They don't care about other position or rights. They do not adhere to any international treaties. They just disrespect all other world. They were shitting in the heads of EU citizens too long via their propaganda channels like Sputnik, Russia Today, etc. And as a result we have this war. ENOG is dead from 2014. I don't know how we're going to meet russians on other events in future, I cannot think about that right now. I clearly understand that this discussion is not a right place for my texts, but someone had to say that. To those who's still supporting Russian politics, please have a look - streets of Kharkiv after massive shelling from russian MRLS: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6905590268439916544-VRFA" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6905590268439916544-VRFA</a> - unarmed ukrainians in Melitopol are forcing russian militaries to get out of city: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6905804699363332096-yHd3" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6905804699363332096-yHd3</a> - Bila Tserkva after strike of cruise missile: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/andrii_prayforukraine-activity-6905831327912783872-8bTM" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.linkedin.com/posts/andrii_prayforukraine-activity-6905831327912783872-8bTM</a> - destroyed russian military vehicles in center of Bucha, town near Kyiv: <a href="https://cdn3.suspilne.media/images/resize/1040x2.5/6230fcffacf26b80.jpg" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://cdn3.suspilne.media/images/resize/1040x2.5/6230fcffacf26b80.jpg</a> - ukrainian soldies are evacuating civilians from Irpen, destroyed by russian shellings: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW_QG8YBgGI&t=114s" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW_QG8YBgGI&t=114s</a> ... and so on, so on, infinite photos and videos of how Russia "protects" people. And after all these crimes someone are trying to keep "ENOG community"? We're really going to vote?! Moreover, someone keeps supporting Russia? Hey, Italian person, cowardly hiding your real name behind a role, do you support killing of peaceful civilians? Don't you think that Ukraine will forget about that? Now I'm off. P.S. I kindly thank to those who support us in this war. Ukraine will win. On Sat, Mar 05, 2022 at 22:18:09 +0300, Зимницкий Алексей wrote:<blockquote class="210e7a848e8fcb45wmi-quote"> Do not make fool of yourself 05.03.2022, 22:13, "Alexander Shikov" <<a href="mailto:a.shikov@itcons.net.ua">a.shikov@itcons.net.ua</a>>: Did your grandpa support Hitler? On Sat, Mar 05, 2022 at 19:44:34 +0100, Amministrazione Viama srl wrote: Alex I would instead support Russia because many or to precise better, no one understand really what happening. I stand with Russia. It's my personal opinion. Thanks Russia. Il 5 mar 2022 13:01, alex <[1]<a href="mailto:alex@mac3.ru">alex@mac3.ru</a>> ha scritto: It is funny to watch how some sponsoring LIR members, who receive money from Russian companies display hate against Russia. Feeling comfortable sitting on two chairs, eh? Alexey Berezhnev CEO MACTREE SYSTEMS [1]79032697800 [2][2]<a href="mailto:alex@mac3.ru">alex@mac3.ru</a> oh those sweet dreams……. Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk. Krantz <[3][3]<a href="mailto:mikael@noackgroup.se">mikael@noackgroup.se</a>>: I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country. Just shut them down. Regards mikael krantz -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: members-discuss <[4][4]<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> För alex Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 10:30 Till: members-discuss <[5][5]<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>> Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances. > When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I > cant't believe my eyes. > > The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely > different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. > Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, > cluster bombs kill children. > > And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality. > > If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm > them. Go to work! > > -- > Stary Bezpiek > > Слава Україні! > русский корабль иди нахуй! > > W dniu [6]05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze: > > > > The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The > > Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE > > standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel > > isolated. Close all ties with Russia. > > > > George Porter > > > > ins 100x120 > > > > Integrated Network Services Ltd > > > > [7]01928 238390 > > > > [8]07956592260 > > > > [9][6]<a href="mailto:george.porter@in-services.co.uk">george.porter@in-services.co.uk</a> > > > > SUPPLY - INSTALL - SUPPORT > > > > [10][7]<a href="https://www.in-services.co.uk/">www.in-services.co.uk</a> <[11][8]<a href="http://www.in-services.co.uk/">http://www.in-services.co.uk</a>> > > > > This message contains confidential information and is intended only > > for the individual named. 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Registered in England [13]7360277. > > > > *From:*members-discuss <[14][9]<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>> *On Behalf > > Of *C A > > *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 > > *To:* NOC <[15][10]<a href="mailto:noc@medsigroup.ru">noc@medsigroup.ru</a>> > > *Cc:* ENOG <[16][11]<a href="mailto:enog@ripe.net">enog@ripe.net</a>>; [17][12]<a href="mailto:discuss@enog.org">discuss@enog.org</a>; Members Discuss > > <[18][13]<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>>; RIPE Programme Committee <[19][14]<a href="mailto:pc@ripe.net">pc@ripe.net</a>>; > > [20][15]<a href="mailto:support@voks.ua">support@voks.ua</a>; ENOG Programme Committee <[21][16]<a href="mailto:pc@enog.org">pc@enog.org</a>>; > > [22][17]<a href="mailto:exec-board@ripe.net">exec-board@ripe.net</a> > > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox? > > > > The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair. > > > > If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack > > of participation. > > > > Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains. > > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <[23][18]<a href="mailto:noc@medsigroup.ru">noc@medsigroup.ru</a>> wrote: > > > > Спасибо, что поправили. > > ? > > > > > > С уважением, > > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > > > Руководитель проектов > > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > > Блока по информационным технологиям > > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > > тел. [24]+7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. [25]11011 > > моб.[26]+7 (915) 119-89-58 > > > > [27][19]<a href="https://www.medsi.ru/">www.medsi.ru</a> <[28][20]<a href="http://www.medsi.ru/">http://www.medsi.ru</a>> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [29][21]<a href="mailto:ripe@voks.ua">ripe@voks.ua</a> [mailto:[30][22]<a href="mailto:ripe@voks.ua">ripe@voks.ua</a>] > > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM > > To: NOC <[31][23]<a href="mailto:noc@medsigroup.ru">noc@medsigroup.ru</a>> > > Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <[32][24]<a href="mailto:nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com">nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com</a>>; > > [33][25]<a href="mailto:exec-board@ripe.net">exec-board@ripe.net</a>; ENOG <[34][26]<a href="mailto:enog@ripe.net">enog@ripe.net</a>>; [35][27]<a href="mailto:discuss@enog.org">discuss@enog.org</a>; > > Members Discuss <[36][28]<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>>; RIPE Programme > > Committee <[37][29]<a href="mailto:pc@ripe.net">pc@ripe.net</a>>; ENOG Programme Committee <[38][30]<a href="mailto:pc@enog.org">pc@enog.org</a>> > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не > > так ли? > > > > -- > > [39][31]<a href="https://www.voks.ua/">www.voks.ua</a> <[40][32]<a href="http://www.voks.ua/">http://www.voks.ua</a>> > > > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > > > Добрый вечер! > > > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > > > > > > > С уважением, > > > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > > > > > Руководитель проектов > > > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > > > Блока по информационным технологиям > > > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > > > тел. [41]+7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. [42]11011 > > > [43][33]<a href="https://www.medsi.ru/">www.medsi.ru</a> <[44][34]<a href="http://www.medsi.ru/">http://www.medsi.ru</a>> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: members-discuss > >[mailto:[45][35]<a href="mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net">members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</a>] On > > > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > > > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > > > To: [46][36]<a href="mailto:exec-board@ripe.net">exec-board@ripe.net</a>; ENOG <[47][37]<a href="mailto:enog@ripe.net">enog@ripe.net</a>>; > >[48][38]<a href="mailto:discuss@enog.org">discuss@enog.org</a>; > > > Members Discuss <[49][39]<a href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>>; RIPE Programme > > Committee > > > <[50][40]<a href="mailto:pc@ripe.net">pc@ripe.net</a>>; ENOG Programme Committee <[51][41]<a href="mailto:pc@enog.org">pc@enog.org</a>> > > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of > > ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > > > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, > > reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official > > position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > > > > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult > >emotional > > state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their > > ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this > >matter > > in the fall. > > > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > > > > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > > > > > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > > > Peace, > > > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will > >ever > > be, — > > > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network > > Operators > > > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that > > the RIPE > > > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the > > potential > > > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the > >RIPE > > > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating > > Ukrainian, > > > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), > >the > > > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way > >it > > could > > > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a > >programme > > for > > > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually > > recognized as > > > > ENOG at the time. > > > > > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; 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