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<p>Hi Daniel,</p>
<p>I agree with all your points and it does concern me. We have more
LIRs than ever and no new IPv4 to hand out, so why are RIPE NCC's
expenses getting out of control?</p>
<p>Perhaps it would be in the best interest of RIPE to not hand out
millions to other ventures if you can't even meet your own budget.<br/>
</p>
<p>Membership for us for the past few years cost;<br/>
2016: 2,100<br/>
2017: 1,575<br/>
2018: 1,040<br/>
2019: 832<br/>
2020: 1,046<br/>
2021: 939<br/>
2022: 786<br/>
2023: 1,541<br/>
2024: 2,100 (Model 1)</p>
<p>What the hell happened for us to get back to 2016 pricing!? It
seems RIPE is completely mismanaged. <br/>
</p>
<p>In 2016 there were ~13,000 LIRs.<br/>
In 2023 there are ~23,000 LIRs.</p>
<p>The only thing that has changed is their growth has HALTED
because we ran out of IPv4. Why the hell is RIPE being run like a
for-profit and why do they need "investments"?</p>
<p>However, it doesn't excuse large members who will be paying a
capped 8,000/yr for literally millions of IPv4. It's still
completely unfair IMHO. I believe in equal opportunity and it's
impossible for new LIRs to get IPv4 unless you pay stupid amounts
leasing the addresses or buying them outright as a transfer.</p>
<p>How many of you Category 5 members can honestly hold your hand up
and say you're<b> low on IPv4 space, AND can't afford to
contribute 8,000 per year? <u>That's complete nonsense.</u></b><br/>
</p>
<p>Regards,<br/>
Josh Jameson<br/>
Technical Director<br/>
ServeByte Ltd<br/>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/03/2023 12:13, Daniel Pearson
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Josh,</div>
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Thanks for your reply. It's not about being able to afford or
not afford this for us, it's the simple fact that I do not
believe RIPE has its members best interest at heart with this
change. <br/>
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<ul>
<li>RIPE does not need 190 employees.</li>
<li>RIPE does not need to 'contribute' millions to other
ventures</li>
<li>RIPE does not need to budget 579 'trips' in a single year.
<br/>
</li>
<li>RIPE does not need to budget almost 3 million for "PR".
RIPE is a monopoly, it has NO competition in the regions it
operates, why does it need PR? <br/>
</li>
</ul>
<p>The fact remains that RIPE is a member governed non profit
which we all have a say in how it operates. I fully disagree
that RIPE needs to raise their fee's like this to continue
operating properly. <br/>
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<p>You are correct, this is a very important VOTE and membership
should do just that, and send a clear message to the board
that we will not tolerate irrelevant waste of our money.</p>
Daniel~</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/8/23 11:41, Josh Jameson wrote:<br/>
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<p>Daniel,</p>
<p>The new proposed pricing model 2 is fair. Hoarders of IPv4
aren't going to like the new model. I encourage every LIR to
vote on the upcoming change when requested! This is <b>THE
MOST IMPORTANT VOTE</b> in recent times and may actually
solve the IPv4 shortage in the EU.<br/>
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<p>Your AS63410 currently announce 67,072 IPv4 addresses
registered to your entity PrivateSystems Networks. If you
can't afford 4,050 euros per year, it's time to recycle some
IP addresses back to RIPE.</p>
<p>Regards,<br/>
Josh Jameson<br/>
Technical Director<br/>
ServeByte Ltd<br/>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/03/2023 13:14, Daniel Pearson
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">We have a relatively small
deployment with a single LIR, single ASN , two IPv4
allocations and one IPv6 allocation.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Model 1 has me paying 28.2% more
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has me paying 89.7% more.... </span><span style="color:
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small provider.. that is a SIGNIFICANT price increase and
burden for what is effectively a centralized database and
verification service. <br/>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51,
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what exactly are you telling me I am paying for with those
increases? <br/>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51,
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your budget grown to the point that you are worried about
LIR accounts merging? Why are you not exploring other
options by reducing your budget and being proper stewards
of our money. Please do not forget that RIPE, as your own
definition is a "We're a not-for-profit membership
association, a Regional Internet Registry and the
secretariat for the RIPE community supporting the Internet
through technical coordination."</span></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51,
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initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">You are
not for profit, and as such I would recommend instead of
increasing the LIR pricing, we acknowledge that the world
is a much tougher place and review not only the budget
expenses of the organization but additional expenses that
are not necessary. You're offering up to €250,000 per year
funding projects with presumably our registration fee's
and funds of which you selected 8 recipients, for a
presumed funding of </span><span style="color: rgb(51,
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of our funds..... If that program was cut or reduced, how
much would that make up for your budget short fall?</span></div>
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how about we also investigate other avenues of budget
expenditure from RIPE and determine your total projected
short fall.</span></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51,
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appears to have Approx 190 Employees on payroll as well,
but yet RIPE only has 23,397 LIR's and 20,244 members.
That is a significantly high ratio of employee to members,
- 106 Members per 1 employee - why is this so high, what
audits have been conducted recently to ensure RIPE is not
suffering from technical creep and employee bloat? <br/>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51,
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own budget for 2023 shows you've assigned less IPv4
resources in 2021 and 2022 than in prior years and have
completed significantly fewer registry checks. The only
real increase seen has been in RPKI's created.</span></div>
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also projecting more trips this year than previous as
well, a 10% increase. I'm sorry but this feels like a huge
cash grab to maintain your current life style and I fully
reject both Models. If I have more time I'll continue to
dig into your financials and we can all have discussions
on how as an organization you can be better stewards of
our Money. You have to remember, at the end of the day
your job is to manage a registry of finite resources.
Spending money on events, trade shows, travel and excess
employees is not a necessity to conduct your original
goals and objectives.</span></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51,
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rest of the world, and all of the small companies who
utilize your services often times do not have the liberty
to simply talk about raising prices, especially in many of
the economically impacted areas that RIPE services. RIPE
should follow the same course of action as many of their
customers do, evaluate internal expenditures and operate
within the budget provided by your members, not come to
the membership and request we continue to pay for
donations to random projects, or a 10% increase in
employee travel.</span></div>
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C Pearson</span></div>
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Systems Networks~<br/>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Dear RIPE NCC members,
We would like to re-open the consultation we began with the membership in 2021 on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme model, and we would like to carry out that consultation well in advance of the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) May 2023.
In 2021, we presented on this topic at the GM, and we also surveyed our members and held an open house to get direct input on the charging scheme model that members would like to see implemented by the RIPE NCC. The outcome at that stage of the consultation was that there were strong cases made for both the current one-LIR, one-fee model and for a category-based model that would charge based on the number of resources held by a member. A strong case was also made to charge for all resources allocated or assigned by the RIPE NCC, including ASNs, and to charge a fee for transfers.
The Executive Board decided to suspend the consultation in light of the war in Ukraine, but we are eager to decide on a way forward on this matter together with the membership.
One of the main reasons that we would like to advance the discussion on the charging model is that we expect many members with multiple LIR accounts who received resources in 2021 to merge these accounts in the coming year. This means that the income the RIPE NCC receives will be reduced by a significant amount and we will need to ensure that our charging model allows us to collect the revenue required to maintain our operations. We believe that a category-based model would be best suited to cover this consolidation risk. Continuing with the existing model would mean that an increase in fees for all members would be required. Our ultimate goal is to arrive at a charging scheme model that will be sustainable for many years to come, meeting the needs of the RIPE NCC’s members.
To help with discussion and to provide something tangible for members to assess, we are putting forward two draft models for members to review. These models can be summarised as:
Model 1: A “one-LIR, one-fee” model based on the current RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2023 that also charges for independent resources, ASNs, transfers and changes in business structure such as Mergers & Acquisitions.
Model 2: A category-based model that charges per member (not per LIR account) and is based on resources registered and that also charges for independent resources, ASNs, transfers and changes in business structure such as Mergers & Acquisitions.
In order to allow members to form an opinion based on their own situation, we are providing an Excel sheet that will allow you to calculate the fees you would pay under each of the draft models. It is important to be aware that at this stage, the numbers assigned for each item are indicative and would be reviewed in light of the discussion with members. We plan to review these figures following consultation with the members, and giving input on those figures would greatly help to arrive at a good model.
You can download the Excel sheet from:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/member-calculator-charging-scheme-2024.xlsx" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/member-calculator-charging-scheme-2024.xlsx</a>
We also plan to hold another Open House meeting on the Charging Scheme in March to further discuss the charging scheme models. The Executive Board will then take the input and decide on one or more charging schemes for the membership to vote on at the GM to be held on 24 May 2023. The outcome of that vote will determine the charging scheme model to be used in the coming years.
I ask that you provide your input on this important consultation on the Membership Discussion mailing list (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net" moz-do-not-send="true">members-discuss@ripe.net</a>) by 26 April. Input provided up to this date will be considered by the Board when formulating the charging schemes to be proposed for the GM. Input after this date is of course also welcome although it might not be reflected in the schemes put forward to the membership at the GM.
The consultation will also be recorded and available from:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations</a>
I look forward to your input.
Kind regards,
Simon Jan Haytink
Finance Director
RIPE NCC
Summary
7 March: Start consultation with membership on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme model
21 March: Open House to discuss charging scheme with membership
24 March: Executive Board meeting to discuss input received so far
12 April: Publication of Draft RIPE NCC Charging Schemes 2024
26 April: Publication of Final RIPE NCC Charging Schemes to be voted on by members
24 May: RIPE NCC General Meeting May 2023
References
Open House and Survey Results
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-open-house-charging-scheme-principles" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-open-house-charging-scheme-principles</a>
Presentation at General Meeting
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2021/documentation-and-archive/ripe-ncc-charging-scheme-discussion.pdf" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2021/documentation-and-archive/ripe-ncc-charging-scheme-discussion.pdf</a>
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