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<div style="">It won�t. I <span style="font-size: inherit;">believe most will either a) rent out, or b) sell their unused IP addresses if it becomes a choice between having to pay for the privilege of keeping vs converting them to either continuous (renting
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<div style="" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: inherit;">LIRs who have an acute IPv4 address deficit will, realistically, need to procure more addresses on the free market. That is, if they intend to grow their b</span><span style="font-size: inherit;">usiness
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 29, 2023 10:14:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Consultation on RIPE NCC Charging Scheme</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Hello,<br>
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I think it is very necessary to address the problem of LIRs that need <br>
IPs in relation to LIRs that have +80% of their IPs unused.<br>
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How to fix? maybe a pay per individual IP model?<br>
<br>
For example: 0.25 �/year per IP.<br>
<br>
I think this will make those who have unused IPs give them back and <br>
reduce speculation, which I think are the two big problems.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Jos� Manuel Giner<br>
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On 17/03/2023 10:24, Simon-Jan Haytink wrote:<br>
> Dear all,<br>
> <br>
> First off, I apologise for the length of this email, but I hope to cover <br>
> a number of points brought up in the consultation so far.<br>
> <br>
> I want to thank you again for your input so far on the models. We are <br>
> busy looking at all the feedback. We have also seen over 100 members <br>
> sign up for the Open House next week to discuss this further, so I <br>
> appreciate your interest in helping us to reach a good outcome.<br>
> <br>
> Looking at the feedback we've seen so far, there are a number of <br>
> questions and points raised where I can help to add clarity and also <br>
> answer some specific questions.<br>
> <br>
> 1. Some of you asked for a breakdown of the IPv4 address space held by <br>
> LIRs to help with your consideration of a category-based model. So here <br>
> is a chart with that information:<br>
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> <br>
> I�d like to note that in the models we are developing, we are looking to <br>
> move to a model that charges per member rather than per LIR account. So <br>
> I also have an indicative spread of how many members would be in each <br>
> category in the model we shared:<br>
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> <br>
> 2. To clarify what determines the category someone is placed within in <br>
> the model I shared, it is the highest score for just one of the <br>
> following types of resource:<br>
> - IPv4 allocations<br>
> - IPv6 allocations<br>
> - ASN assignments<br>
> - Independent resources (includes all resource assignments not in the <br>
> previous three categories, including all sponsored items)<br>
> Note: Independent resources are charged by number of assignments rather <br>
> than by the amount of IPs within the assignment.<br>
> <br>
> So if your highest score is for IPv4 allocations, then the amount for <br>
> IPv6 allocations, ASNs or independent resources does not contribute to <br>
> the category you are placed in. The highest score of the four defines <br>
> the category. The elements that we charge for in the categories or <br>
> separately can of course change or be refined based on your feedback.<br>
> <br>
> 3. Another person asked for comparison with other RIR charging schemes, <br>
> and I provide links to the information on their websites:<br>
> APNIC: <a href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apnic.net%2Fget-ip%2Fapnic-membership%2Fhow-much-does-it-cost%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cfffe6b8d017542a0100f08db311a3cc1%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638157760994623871%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PJ%2BCPI4x8eDbknzv%2BjShaOX9n1%2Bs0sCt6ZhmtVffjMU%3D&reserved=0">
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> <br>
> 4. There was a question on how we charge for those who are still on the <br>
> waiting list and have not yet received any IPv4 address space. We are <br>
> still looking at how this might work and it is something I can bring up <br>
> during the Open House. Potentially, there could be a base membership fee <br>
> and another fee once IPv4 resources are received.<br>
> <br>
> 5. There was a request for comment on the idea that the RIPE NCC had <br>
> permitted multiple LIRs in order to allow some members to receive more <br>
> address space. In fact, the members themselves voted at the General <br>
> Meeting to allow this in 2016. There had been a resolution by the <br>
> Executive Board to stop the creation of multiple LIR accounts in 2015; <br>
> there was a lengthy discussion about this and the Board therefore asked <br>
> the members to discuss the issue and make a decision on the matter in 2016.<br>
> <br>
> Board Resolution:<br>
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> Membership Vote:<br>
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> Finally, there was a comment that we need to achieve a balance between <br>
> fairness and complexity. This comment really resonates with me, given <br>
> that there are possibly as many ways to charge as there are IPv6 <br>
> addresses. At the Open House next week, I plan to present updated models <br>
> that take as much of your feedback as possible into account, and of <br>
> course I'll share that information afterwards with the full membership.<br>
> <br>
> Charging Scheme 2024 Open House:<br>
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> Kind regards,<br>
> <br>
> Simon Jan Haytink<br>
> Finance Director<br>
> RIPE NCC<br>
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