From fergalc at ripe.net Wed Jun 17 11:54:20 2009 From: fergalc at ripe.net (Fergal Cunningham) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:54:20 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] Proposed Draft Charging Scheme 2010 Message-ID: <4A38BD4C.9050608@ripe.net> [Apologies for duplicate emails] Dear Colleagues, The RIPE NCC is currently formulating the Draft Charging Scheme 2010. The Draft Charging Scheme 2010 will take into account the requirements of policy proposal 2007-01, "Direct Internet Resource Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC", and the discussions that took place at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2009 regarding the 2010 Charging Scheme. The main features of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 will be: - As in previous years, there will be five membership categories - Extra Small, Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large - The 2010 fee for each membership category will be the same as for 2009 - An algorithm will determine a score that decides what category a member belongs to - The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 allocated over time - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment The RIPE NCC will publish the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 at the beginning of July 2009. The RIPE NCC Executive Board will then monitor discussion and input from the RIPE NCC membership before publishing a final version of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 by 9 September 2009. The RIPE NCC membership will vote on this version at the RIPE NCC General Meeting on 7 October 2009. The RIPE NCC notes that this proposal for the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 is subject to change based on advice from the RIPE NCC's lawyers on tax and legal issues. Membership discussion of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 proposal can take place at . Best regards, Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC From sergey at devnull.ru Wed Jun 17 19:01:19 2009 From: sergey at devnull.ru (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:01:19 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 Message-ID: <1555897920.20090617190119@devnull.ru> ?????? ????! ???????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? Scharging Scheme 2010. -- Sergey From fabler at mtu.ru Wed Jun 17 20:18:47 2009 From: fabler at mtu.ru (Sergey Budnevitch) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:18:47 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <1555897920.20090617190119@devnull.ru> References: <1555897920.20090617190119@devnull.ru> Message-ID: ? ??? ????? ???????? ? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ?.?, "The RIPE NCC will publish the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 at the beginning of July 2009" On Jun 17, 2009, at 21:01 , Sergey Myasoedov wrote: > ?????? ????! > > ???????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? > Scharging Scheme 2010. > > > -- > Sergey > From lesnix at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 20:38:32 2009 From: lesnix at gmail.com (Egor Zimin) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:38:32 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: References: <1555897920.20090617190119@devnull.ru> Message-ID: <4A393828.4030604@gmail.com> ? ??? ???????, ? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ???: "The main features of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 will be: - As in previous years, there will be five membership categories - Extra Small, Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large - The 2010 fee for each membership category will be the same as for 2009 - An algorithm will determine a score that decides what category a member belongs to - The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 allocated over time - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment " Sergey Budnevitch ?????: > ? ??? ????? ???????? ? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ?.?, "The RIPE NCC > will publish the Draft Charging > Scheme 2010 at the beginning of July 2009" > > On Jun 17, 2009, at 21:01 , Sergey Myasoedov wrote: > >> ?????? ????! >> >> ???????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? >> Scharging Scheme 2010. >> >> >> -- >> Sergey >> > -- Best regards, Egor Zimin From sergey at devnull.ru Wed Jun 17 20:55:48 2009 From: sergey at devnull.ru (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:55:48 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: References: <1555897920.20090617190119@devnull.ru> Message-ID: <178259223.20090617205548@devnull.ru> ???? ??????? ???????? ???. ??????????? ????????????? ? ??????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ??????????? Direct Assignment (PI/ASn ???????). ?? ????? ???????, ????? ?? ??? ???? DA ???????? ?? ????????, ?? ???????? ???????????? ??????????? ?????????. ???????? ?? ??, ??? ? ????????? ??????????? DA ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ????????, ?? GM-2009 ???? ?????????? ???????? ???????????: A. ??????? Charging scheme. B. ??????????? ?? DA: B1. 50 eur/DA B2. 100 eur/DA C. ??????????? ?? ?????????? DA: ???-?? DA Fee 1 50 2-5 100 6-10 200 11-20 400 21-30 750 31-50 1500 51-100 2500 100+ 4000 ????? ??, ?? GM, ???? ????????? ??????????????? ???????????. ??????? ??????? B1 ? ????????? ????????? ??? ????????? A. ? ?????, ? ???? ???????????? ???????????, ??? ?????????? ????? ??????? ??-????? ?? ???????? ?? ?????????????? RIPE NCC. ??????? ? ?????????? Executive Board ?? ??, ??? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ???????? ??? ????????. ???????, ??????? ?????? ?????? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ??????? ? ??????????. ? ???????? ???? ????? ?? ??????????? CFO RIPE NCC, ?????????? ????????? ????????? ???????????. http://vyborgtelecom.ru/variants.png Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 8:18:47 PM, you wrote: SB> ? ??? ????? ???????? ? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ?.?, "The RIPE NCC SB> will publish the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 at the beginning of July 2009" >> ???????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? >> Scharging Scheme 2010. -- Sergey From hostmaster at radiocom.net.ua Thu Jun 18 10:49:58 2009 From: hostmaster at radiocom.net.ua (Eugen V. Zhuravlov) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:49:58 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <4A393828.4030604@gmail.com> References: <1555897920.20090617190119@devnull.ru> <4A393828.4030604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090618084958.GA36379@radiocom.net.ua> Hi, Egor! ? ????? ??????, ???? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ??. ????????? ?????? ??????. ???? ???????? ??????? - ? 2010 ??? ?????? fee ??? ? 2009??. ????????????, ? ?????, ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????????, ??? ????? ????????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? 2010. ??? ? ?????, score ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????? PA. ? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????? Small ? Medium ??-?? ????, ??? ???????????????? ????????? AS'??. ?? ? 2010 ?? ???????? ???????? AS ??? ? ????? ???????. ?? ??? ?? ??????: ??? ????? ??? ??????????? ????????? ???-?? ????? ????????? RIPE ?? AS ? ?? PA? Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:38:32PM +0400, Egor Zimin wrote: > ? ??? ???????, ? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ???: > "The main features of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 will be: > - As in previous years, there will be five membership categories - Extra Small, Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large > - The 2010 fee for each membership category will be the same as for 2009 > - An algorithm will determine a score that decides what category a member belongs to > - The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 allocated over time > - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment " > > >On Jun 17, 2009, at 21:01 , Sergey Myasoedov wrote: > > > >>?????? ????! > >> > >>???????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? Scharging Scheme 2010. > >> > >>-- > >>Sergey > >> > > -- > Best regards, > Egor Zimin -- Eugen V. Zhuravlov KLV3-UANIC http://www.radiocom.net.ua From hostmaster at radiocom.net.ua Thu Jun 18 10:49:58 2009 From: hostmaster at radiocom.net.ua (Eugen V. Zhuravlov) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:49:58 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <4A393828.4030604@gmail.com> References: <1555897920.20090617190119@devnull.ru> <4A393828.4030604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090618084958.GA36379@radiocom.net.ua> Hi, Egor! ? ????? ??????, ???? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ??. ????????? ?????? ??????. ???? ???????? ??????? - ? 2010 ??? ?????? fee ??? ? 2009??. ????????????, ? ?????, ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????????, ??? ????? ????????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?? 2010. ??? ? ?????, score ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????? PA. ? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????? Small ? Medium ??-?? ????, ??? ???????????????? ????????? AS'??. ?? ? 2010 ?? ???????? ???????? AS ??? ? ????? ???????. ?? ??? ?? ??????: ??? ????? ??? ??????????? ????????? ???-?? ????? ????????? RIPE ?? AS ? ?? PA? Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:38:32PM +0400, Egor Zimin wrote: > ? ??? ???????, ? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ???: > "The main features of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 will be: > - As in previous years, there will be five membership categories - Extra Small, Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large > - The 2010 fee for each membership category will be the same as for 2009 > - An algorithm will determine a score that decides what category a member belongs to > - The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 allocated over time > - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment " > > >On Jun 17, 2009, at 21:01 , Sergey Myasoedov wrote: > > > >>?????? ????! > >> > >>???????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? Scharging Scheme 2010. > >> > >>-- > >>Sergey > >> > > -- > Best regards, > Egor Zimin -- Eugen V. Zhuravlov KLV3-UANIC http://www.radiocom.net.ua From poty at iiat.ru Thu Jun 18 11:29:51 2009 From: poty at iiat.ru (poty at iiat.ru) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:29:51 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 Message-ID: > ??? ????? ??? ??????????? ????????? ???-?? ????? ????????? RIPE ?? AS ? > ?? PA? ??? ??? ????????: http://ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-437.html ? ??? - ?????????, ?????????????, ??????... ? ?????????... From president at ukraine.su Thu Jun 18 11:33:13 2009 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:33:13 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <20090618084958.GA36379@radiocom.net.ua> References: <1555897920.20090617190119@devnull.ru> <4A393828.4030604@gmail.com> <20090618084958.GA36379@radiocom.net.ua> Message-ID: <4A3A09D9.80300@ukraine.su> ?????? ????! ??-??????, ? ?????? ??????????, ??????? ????? ??????, ????? ??? ??? ??? ????, ??? ? 2010-? ???? ??????????? ????? ?? ????? ??, ??? ? 2009-?, ?????? ????????????? ?? ????? ??. ??-??????, RIPE ? RIPE NCC ??????? ???, ??? ??? ??? ????????? ????? ?????? ?? ????????, ??????? ??? ??????????. ????? ????, ??? ??????????????. ?????? ??? ?? ?????? ???????? ? ?????????? ? ????????? ?? ????, ??????? ??????? ??? ?????????????. ???? ? ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????? ????????? - ?????? PI ????? ? AS. ???? ?????????? (?????? ?????????? ? ??????????, ? ????? ? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????, ??????? ??? ??? ? ?????????. ?????? ????? ???????????? ??????????? ?? ???? ?????????? ???????? ??? PI ? AS, ? ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ??????????? ? ????? ?? PA (? ????, ??? ?????????? ?? ?????? ?????). ?????? ???????????? ????????????? ?????? 50 ???? ?? ??????, ?????? - ?? ??, ?? 100 ???? ?? ??????. ? ???? ???????? ???????? ? ???, ??? RIPE NCC ??????? ???????????? ?? ????? ??????????????????? PI ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????????? ????? ??????, ? ???????? ??????????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????, ??? ????? ????????????. ? ??? ??? ????????? ???????? ?????, ??? ??? ???????-?? ???????, ??? ????? ??????, ? ??????? ????? - ??????? ?? ????, ????? ??????? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ???????, ?? ??? ????????, ??? ? ???????? ?????????? ?? ????? ?? ????????? ???-?? ?????, ??????, 100 ???? ?? ?? ??????, ? ?? ?????? /24... Eugen V. Zhuravlov wrote: > Hi, Egor! > > ? ????? ??????, ???? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ??. > ????????? ?????? ??????. ???? ???????? ??????? - ? 2010 ??? ?????? fee ??? ? 2009??. > ????????????, ? ?????, ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????????, ??? ????? ????????? ??????? > ?? ?????????? ?? 2010. ??? ? ?????, score ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????? PA. > ? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????? Small ? Medium ??-?? ????, ??? ???????????????? > ????????? AS'??. ?? ? 2010 ?? ???????? ???????? AS ??? ? ????? ???????. ?? ??? ?? ??????: > ??? ????? ??? ??????????? ????????? ???-?? ????? ????????? RIPE ?? AS ? ?? PA? > > > Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:38:32PM +0400, Egor Zimin wrote: > >> ? ??? ???????, ? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ???: >> "The main features of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 will be: >> - As in previous years, there will be five membership categories - Extra Small, Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large >> - The 2010 fee for each membership category will be the same as for 2009 >> - An algorithm will determine a score that decides what category a member belongs to >> - The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 allocated over time >> - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment " >> >>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 21:01 , Sergey Myasoedov wrote: >>> >>>> ?????? ????! >>>> >>>> ???????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? Scharging Scheme 2010. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sergey >>>> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Egor Zimin > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From hostmaster at radiocom.net.ua Thu Jun 18 11:47:00 2009 From: hostmaster at radiocom.net.ua (Eugen V. Zhuravlov) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:47:00 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090618094700.GD36379@radiocom.net.ua> Hi, poty! Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 01:29:51PM +0400, poty at iiat.ru wrote: > > ??? ????? ??? ??????????? ????????? ???-?? ????? ????????? RIPE ?? AS ? > > ?? PA? > ??? ??? ????????: > http://ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-437.html > > ? ??? - ?????????, ?????????????, ??????... ? ?????????... ???????? ?????, ??? ???????? ????? ??? ??????: 7 PI, 1 PA ? 8 AS. ???-?? ????????????? ???????????? ???? ????????? ? ????????. -- Eugen V. Zhuravlov KLV3-UANIC http://www.radiocom.net.ua From president at ukraine.su Thu Jun 18 11:53:12 2009 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:53:12 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 KEY123 In-Reply-To: <20090618084958.GA36379@radiocom.net.ua> References: <1555897920.20090617190119@devnull.ru> <4A393828.4030604@gmail.com> <20090618084958.GA36379@radiocom.net.ua> Message-ID: <4A3A0E88.80104@ukraine.su> ?????? ????! ??-??????, ? ?????? ??????????, ??????? ????? ??????, ????? ??? ??? ??? ????, ??? ? 2010-? ???? ??????????? ????? ?? ????? ??, ??? ? 2009-?, ?????? ????????????? ?? ????? ??. ??-??????, RIPE ? RIPE NCC ??????? ???, ??? ??? ??? ????????? ????? ?????? ?? ????????, ??????? ??? ??????????. ????? ????, ??? ??????????????. ?????? ??? ?? ?????? ???????? ? ?????????? ? ????????? ?? ????, ??????? ??????? ??? ?????????????. ???? ? ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????? ????????? - ?????? PI ????? ? AS. ???? ?????????? (?????? ?????????? ? ??????????, ? ????? ? ???????????) ??? ????? ???????????, ??????? ??? ??? ? ?????????. ?????? ????? ???????????? ??????????? ?? ???? ?????????? ???????? ??? PI ? AS, ? ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ??????????? ? ????? ?? PA (? ????, ??? ?????????? ?? ?????? ?????). ?????? ???????????? ????????????? ?????? 50 ???? ?? ??????, ?????? - ?? ??, ?? 100 ???? ?? ??????. ? ???? ???????? ???????? ? ???, ??? RIPE NCC ??????? ???????????? ?? ????? ??????????????????? PI ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????????? ????? ??????, ? ???????? ??????????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????, ??? ????? ????????????. ? ??? ??? ????????? ???????? ?????, ??? ??? ???????-?? ???????, ??? ????? ??????, ? ??????? ????? - ??????? ?? ????, ????? ??????? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ???????, ?? ??? ????????, ??? ? ???????? ?????????? ?? ????? ?? ????????? ???-?? ?????, ??????, 100 ???? ?? ?? ??????, ? ?? ?????? /24... Eugen V. Zhuravlov wrote: > Hi, Egor! > > ? ????? ??????, ???? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ??. > ????????? ?????? ??????. ???? ???????? ??????? - ? 2010 ??? ?????? fee ??? ? 2009??. > ????????????, ? ?????, ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????????, ??? ????? ????????? ??????? > ?? ?????????? ?? 2010. ??? ? ?????, score ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????? PA. > ? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????? Small ? Medium ??-?? ????, ??? ???????????????? > ????????? AS'??. ?? ? 2010 ?? ???????? ???????? AS ??? ? ????? ???????. ?? ??? ?? ??????: > ??? ????? ??? ??????????? ????????? ???-?? ????? ????????? RIPE ?? AS ? ?? PA? > > > Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:38:32PM +0400, Egor Zimin wrote: > >> ? ??? ???????, ? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ???: >> "The main features of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 will be: >> - As in previous years, there will be five membership categories - Extra Small, Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large >> - The 2010 fee for each membership category will be the same as for 2009 >> - An algorithm will determine a score that decides what category a member belongs to >> - The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 allocated over time >> - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment " >> >>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 21:01 , Sergey Myasoedov wrote: >>> >>>> ?????? ????! >>>> >>>> ???????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? Scharging Scheme 2010. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sergey >>>> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Egor Zimin > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From lesnix at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 12:03:24 2009 From: lesnix at gmail.com (Egor Zimin) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:03:24 +0400 Subject: KEY:123 Re: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <4A3A09D9.80300@ukraine.su> References: <1555897920.20090617190119@devnull.ru> <4A393828.4030604@gmail.com> <20090618084958.GA36379@radiocom.net.ua> <4A3A09D9.80300@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <4A3A10EC.8090707@gmail.com> ?????? ????. Max, ??-?????, ??? ??? ????, "??????? ?????? ????? ???? PI assignment" ??? LIR'a. ???, ??? ? ???????, ??????? ?? Appendix 1 :Billing Score Algorithm: http://ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-437.html ??? ?????, ?? ??? ?????? ? ???????? ???????? ??????????????? ??? LIRs, ?.?. PI Assignment'? ???????????? ????????? ???? ? ?????? score, ? ?????????? Annual Service Fee ?????????? ?????? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ?????????. ??? ??? ??????, ? ????????, ????? ???????? ???? ?? ???? ???, ?????? ?? ?????????????? ???????????. ????? ? ? ???? ???????? ? ???, ??? ??? ??????? ??????????? ? ???, ??? ????????????? ?????? ?? ??????(????? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ????) ?? ?????????? ? ??????????. ? ??? ??? ????????? ????????? ????????? ??????. ???????? ????????????? ?????? ?? PI ? AS - ??? ?????????? ????? ?????????? ???? ????????. IPv4-?????? ?????????????, ???????????? PI ????? ??????, ?? ?????? ??????????? ????????????? ?????? ?? AS, ??? ???, ??? ASN32 ??? ????? ???? ???????????? ???????? ??????? ?? ????????? ? ???????? ? ????????? ASN ? ????????? ????? ?? ??????????? ? Max Tulyev ?????: > ?????? ????! > > ??-??????, ? ?????? ??????????, ??????? ????? ??????, ????? ??? ??? ??? > ????, ??? ? 2010-? ???? ??????????? ????? ?? ????? ??, ??? ? 2009-?, > ?????? ????????????? ?? ????? ??. > > ??-??????, RIPE ? RIPE NCC ??????? ???, ??? ??? ??? ????????? ????? > ?????? ?? ????????, ??????? ??? ??????????. ????? ????, ??? > ??????????????. ?????? ??? ?? ?????? ???????? ? ?????????? ? ????????? > ?? ????, ??????? ??????? ??? ?????????????. > > ???? ? ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????? ????????? - ?????? PI ????? ? AS. > ???? ?????????? (?????? ?????????? ? ??????????, ? ????? ? ???????????) > ??? ????? ???????????, ??????? ??? ??? ? ?????????. ?????? ????? > ???????????? ??????????? ?? ???? ?????????? ???????? ??? PI ? AS, ? > ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ??????????? ? ????? ?? PA (? ????, ??? > ?????????? ?? ?????? ?????). ?????? ???????????? ????????????? ?????? 50 > ???? ?? ??????, ?????? - ?? ??, ?? 100 ???? ?? ??????. > > ? ???? ???????? ???????? ? ???, ??? RIPE NCC ??????? ???????????? ?? > ????? ??????????????????? PI ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????????? ????? > ??????, ? ???????? ??????????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????, ??? ????? > ????????????. ? ??? ??? ????????? ???????? ?????, ??? ??? ???????-?? > ???????, ??? ????? ??????, ? ??????? ????? - ??????? ?? ????, ????? > ??????? ?????? > > ?? ?????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ???????, ?? ??? ????????, ??? ? > ???????? ?????????? ?? ????? ?? ????????? ???-?? ?????, ??????, 100 ???? > ?? ?? ??????, ? ?? ?????? /24... > > Eugen V. Zhuravlov wrote: > >> Hi, Egor! >> >> ? ????? ??????, ???? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ??. >> ????????? ?????? ??????. ???? ???????? ??????? - ? 2010 ??? ?????? fee ??? ? 2009??. >> ????????????, ? ?????, ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????????, ??? ????? ????????? ??????? >> ?? ?????????? ?? 2010. ??? ? ?????, score ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????? PA. >> ? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????? Small ? Medium ??-?? ????, ??? ???????????????? >> ????????? AS'??. ?? ? 2010 ?? ???????? ???????? AS ??? ? ????? ???????. ?? ??? ?? ??????: >> ??? ????? ??? ??????????? ????????? ???-?? ????? ????????? RIPE ?? AS ? ?? PA? >> >> >> Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:38:32PM +0400, Egor Zimin wrote: >> >> >>> ? ??? ???????, ? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ???: >>> "The main features of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 will be: >>> - As in previous years, there will be five membership categories - Extra Small, Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large >>> - The 2010 fee for each membership category will be the same as for 2009 >>> - An algorithm will determine a score that decides what category a member belongs to >>> - The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 allocated over time >>> - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment " >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 21:01 , Sergey Myasoedov wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> ?????? ????! >>>>> >>>>> ???????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? Scharging Scheme 2010. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sergey >>>>> >>>>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Egor Zimin >>> > > > -- Best regards, Egor Zimin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lesnix at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 12:18:30 2009 From: lesnix at gmail.com (Egor Zimin) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:18:30 +0400 Subject: KEY123 Re: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <4A3A0E88.80104@ukraine.su> References: <1555897920.20090617190119@devnull.ru> <4A393828.4030604@gmail.com> <20090618084958.GA36379@radiocom.net.ua> <4A3A0E88.80104@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <4A3A1476.20206@gmail.com> ?????? ????. Max, ??-?????, ??? ??? ????, "??????? ?????? ????? ???? PI assignment" ??? LIR'a. ???, ??? ? ???????, ??????? ?? Appendix 1 :Billing Score Algorithm: http://ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-437.html ??? ?????, ?? ??? ?????? ? ???????? ???????? ??????????????? ??? LIRs, ?.?. PI Assignment'? ???????????? ????????? ???? ? ?????? score, ? ?????????? Annual Service Fee ?????????? ?????? ??? ???????? ? ?????? ?????????. ??? ??? ??????, ? ????????, ????? ???????? ???? ?? ???? ???, ?????? ?? ?????????????? ???????????. ????? ? ? ???? ???????? ? ???, ??? ??? ??????? ??????????? ? ???, ??? ????????????? ?????? ?? ??????(????? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ????) ?? ?????????? ? ??????????. ? ??? ??? ????????? ????????? ????????? ??????. ???????? ????????????? ?????? ?? PI ? AS - ??? ?????????? ????? ?????????? ???? ????????. IPv4-?????? ?????????????, ???????????? PI ????? ??????, ?? ?????? ??????????? ????????????? ?????? ?? AS, ??? ???, ??? ASN32 ??? ????? ???? ???????????? ???????? ??????? ?? ????????? ? ???????? ? ????????? ASN ? ????????? ????? ?? ??????????? ? Max Tulyev ?????: > ?????? ????! > > ??-??????, ? ?????? ??????????, ??????? ????? ??????, ????? ??? ??? ??? > ????, ??? ? 2010-? ???? ??????????? ????? ?? ????? ??, ??? ? 2009-?, > ?????? ????????????? ?? ????? ??. > > ??-??????, RIPE ? RIPE NCC ??????? ???, ??? ??? ??? ????????? ????? > ?????? ?? ????????, ??????? ??? ??????????. ????? ????, ??? > ??????????????. ?????? ??? ?? ?????? ???????? ? ?????????? ? ????????? > ?? ????, ??????? ??????? ??? ?????????????. > > ???? ? ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????? ????????? - ?????? PI ????? ? AS. > ???? ?????????? (?????? ?????????? ? ??????????, ? ????? ? ???????????) > ??? ????? ???????????, ??????? ??? ??? ? ?????????. ?????? ????? > ???????????? ??????????? ?? ???? ?????????? ???????? ??? PI ? AS, ? > ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ??????????? ? ????? ?? PA (? ????, ??? > ?????????? ?? ?????? ?????). ?????? ???????????? ????????????? ?????? 50 > ???? ?? ??????, ?????? - ?? ??, ?? 100 ???? ?? ??????. > > ? ???? ???????? ???????? ? ???, ??? RIPE NCC ??????? ???????????? ?? > ????? ??????????????????? PI ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????????? ????? > ??????, ? ???????? ??????????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????, ??? ????? > ????????????. ? ??? ??? ????????? ???????? ?????, ??? ??? ???????-?? > ???????, ??? ????? ??????, ? ??????? ????? - ??????? ?? ????, ????? > ??????? ?????? > > ?? ?????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ???????, ?? ??? ????????, ??? ? > ???????? ?????????? ?? ????? ?? ????????? ???-?? ?????, ??????, 100 ???? > ?? ?? ??????, ? ?? ?????? /24... > > Eugen V. Zhuravlov wrote: > >> Hi, Egor! >> >> ? ????? ??????, ???? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ??. >> ????????? ?????? ??????. ???? ???????? ??????? - ? 2010 ??? ?????? fee ??? ? 2009??. >> ????????????, ? ?????, ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????????, ??? ????? ????????? ??????? >> ?? ?????????? ?? 2010. ??? ? ?????, score ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????? PA. >> ? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????? Small ? Medium ??-?? ????, ??? ???????????????? >> ????????? AS'??. ?? ? 2010 ?? ???????? ???????? AS ??? ? ????? ???????. ?? ??? ?? ??????: >> ??? ????? ??? ??????????? ????????? ???-?? ????? ????????? RIPE ?? AS ? ?? PA? >> >> >> Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:38:32PM +0400, Egor Zimin wrote: >> >> >>> ? ??? ???????, ? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ???: >>> "The main features of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 will be: >>> - As in previous years, there will be five membership categories - Extra Small, Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large >>> - The 2010 fee for each membership category will be the same as for 2009 >>> - An algorithm will determine a score that decides what category a member belongs to >>> - The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 allocated over time >>> - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment " >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 21:01 , Sergey Myasoedov wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> ?????? ????! >>>>> >>>>> ???????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? Scharging Scheme 2010. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sergey >>>>> >>>>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Egor Zimin >>> > > > -- Best regards, Egor Zimin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ula at ripn.net Thu Jun 18 12:26:31 2009 From: ula at ripn.net (Larisa A. Yurkina) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:26:31 +0400 (MSD) Subject: KEY123 Re: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <4A3A1476.20206@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090618142406.L63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Egor Zimin wrote: > ?????? ????. ?????? ????! > Max, > ??-?????, ??? ??? ????, "??????? ?????? ????? ???? PI assignment" ??? > LIR'a. ???, ??? ? ???????, ??????? ?? Appendix 1 :Billing Score > Algorithm: http://ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-437.html > ??? ?????, ?? ??? ?????? ? ???????? ???????? ??????????????? ??? LIRs, > ?.?. PI Assignment'? ???????????? ????????? ???? ? ?????? score, ? > ?????????? Annual Service Fee ?????????? ?????? ??? ???????? ? ?????? > ?????????. ??? ??? ??????, ? ????????, ????? ???????? ???? ?? ???? ???, > ?????? ?? ?????????????? ???????????. > > ????? ? ? ???? ???????? ? ???, ??? ??? ??????? ??????????? ? ???, ??? > ????????????? ?????? ?? ??????(????? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ????) ?? > ?????????? ? ??????????. > > ? ??? ??? ????????? ????????? ????????? ??????. > ???????? ????????????? ?????? ?? PI ? AS - ??? ?????????? ????? > ?????????? ???? ????????. IPv4-?????? ?????????????, ???????????? PI > ????? ??????, ?? ?????? ??????????? ????????????? ?????? ?? AS, ??? ???, > ??? ASN32 ??? ????? ???? ???????????? ???????? ??????? ?? ????????? ? > ???????? ? ????????? ASN ? ????????? ????? ?? ??????????? ? As Internet number resources do not have a value in themselves, the RIPE NCC charges an annual service fee based on the services that a member receives from the RIPE NCC ??. http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/charging2009.html ???????? ripe-437 > > Max Tulyev ?????: > > ?????? ????! > > > > ??-??????, ? ?????? ??????????, ??????? ????? ??????, ????? ??? ??? ??? > > ????, ??? ? 2010-? ???? ??????????? ????? ?? ????? ??, ??? ? 2009-?, > > ?????? ????????????? ?? ????? ??. > > > > ??-??????, RIPE ? RIPE NCC ??????? ???, ??? ??? ??? ????????? ????? > > ?????? ?? ????????, ??????? ??? ??????????. ????? ????, ??? > > ??????????????. ?????? ??? ?? ?????? ???????? ? ?????????? ? ????????? > > ?? ????, ??????? ??????? ??? ?????????????. > > > > ???? ? ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????? ????????? - ?????? PI ????? ? AS. > > ???? ?????????? (?????? ?????????? ? ??????????, ? ????? ? ???????????) > > ??? ????? ???????????, ??????? ??? ??? ? ?????????. ?????? ????? > > ???????????? ??????????? ?? ???? ?????????? ???????? ??? PI ? AS, ? > > ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ??????????? ? ????? ?? PA (? ????, ??? > > ?????????? ?? ?????? ?????). ?????? ???????????? ????????????? ?????? 50 > > ???? ?? ??????, ?????? - ?? ??, ?? 100 ???? ?? ??????. > > > > ? ???? ???????? ???????? ? ???, ??? RIPE NCC ??????? ???????????? ?? > > ????? ??????????????????? PI ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????????? ????? > > ??????, ? ???????? ??????????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????, ??? ????? > > ????????????. ? ??? ??? ????????? ???????? ?????, ??? ??? ???????-?? > > ???????, ??? ????? ??????, ? ??????? ????? - ??????? ?? ????, ????? > > ??????? ?????? > > > > ?? ?????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ???????, ?? ??? ????????, ??? ? > > ???????? ?????????? ?? ????? ?? ????????? ???-?? ?????, ??????, 100 ???? > > ?? ?? ??????, ? ?? ?????? /24... > > > > Eugen V. Zhuravlov wrote: > > > >> Hi, Egor! > >> > >> ? ????? ??????, ???? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ??. > >> ????????? ?????? ??????. ???? ???????? ??????? - ? 2010 ??? ?????? fee ??? ? 2009??. > >> ????????????, ? ?????, ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????????, ??? ????? ????????? ??????? > >> ?? ?????????? ?? 2010. ??? ? ?????, score ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????? PA. > >> ? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????? Small ? Medium ??-?? ????, ??? ???????????????? > >> ????????? AS'??. ?? ? 2010 ?? ???????? ???????? AS ??? ? ????? ???????. ?? ??? ?? ??????: > >> ??? ????? ??? ??????????? ????????? ???-?? ????? ????????? RIPE ?? AS ? ?? PA? > >> > >> > >> Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:38:32PM +0400, Egor Zimin wrote: > >> > >> > >>> ? ??? ???????, ? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ???: > >>> "The main features of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 will be: > >>> - As in previous years, there will be five membership categories - Extra Small, Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large > >>> - The 2010 fee for each membership category will be the same as for 2009 > >>> - An algorithm will determine a score that decides what category a member belongs to > >>> - The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 allocated over time > >>> - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment " > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 21:01 , Sergey Myasoedov wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> ?????? ????! > >>>>> > >>>>> ???????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? Scharging Scheme 2010. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Sergey > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> -- > >>> Best regards, > >>> Egor Zimin > >>> > > > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Egor Zimin > > With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center ----- From lesnix at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 12:37:08 2009 From: lesnix at gmail.com (Egor Zimin) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:37:08 +0400 Subject: KEY123 Re: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <20090618142406.L63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <20090618142406.L63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <4A3A18D4.6070701@gmail.com> ?????. ????? ???? - ??? ???????????? ;) ??????, ???? ?????????? ?????? ? ???? ???????, ?? ?? IPv4 PI, ?? AS ?? ?????? ????????, ?.?. "services that a member receives from the RIPE NCC" ?? ?????????? ? ?? ?????????, ????????? ??? ????????, ?????????? ? 2010. ???????, ????????, ??? ????????? ??, ???, ????????? ? ???????, ??? RIR? ? ????? ? RIPE ? ????????? ???????????? ?? _????????_ ????????????? ????????? ???????????? ?? ????????? ?? ???????????. ???? ??????? ?????????? IPv4-???????, ??? ? ???????, ????? ?????? ?? ???????? "?????????? ????????????? ???????" ? ????? ?? ???????? ??????? ????? ?? IPv4 PI ???????? ????????? ????? ?? "services that a member receives from the RIPE NCC". ? ??? ???????????? AS ?????? ????? ???, ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ?????????? ?????????? ??? ?????????. Larisa A. Yurkina ?????: > On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Egor Zimin wrote: > > >> ?????? ????. >> > > ?????? ????! > > >> Max, >> ??-?????, ??? ??? ????, "??????? ?????? ????? ???? PI assignment" ??? >> LIR'a. ???, ??? ? ???????, ??????? ?? Appendix 1 :Billing Score >> Algorithm: http://ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-437.html >> ??? ?????, ?? ??? ?????? ? ???????? ???????? ??????????????? ??? LIRs, >> ?.?. PI Assignment'? ???????????? ????????? ???? ? ?????? score, ? >> ?????????? Annual Service Fee ?????????? ?????? ??? ???????? ? ?????? >> ?????????. ??? ??? ??????, ? ????????, ????? ???????? ???? ?? ???? ???, >> ?????? ?? ?????????????? ???????????. >> >> ????? ? ? ???? ???????? ? ???, ??? ??? ??????? ??????????? ? ???, ??? >> ????????????? ?????? ?? ??????(????? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ????) ?? >> ?????????? ? ??????????. >> >> ? ??? ??? ????????? ????????? ????????? ??????. >> ???????? ????????????? ?????? ?? PI ? AS - ??? ?????????? ????? >> ?????????? ???? ????????. IPv4-?????? ?????????????, ???????????? PI >> ????? ??????, ?? ?????? ??????????? ????????????? ?????? ?? AS, ??? ???, >> ??? ASN32 ??? ????? ???? ???????????? ???????? ??????? ?? ????????? ? >> ???????? ? ????????? ASN ? ????????? ????? ?? ??????????? ? >> > > As Internet number resources do not have a value in themselves, the RIPE NCC charges an annual service fee based on the services that a member receives from the RIPE NCC > ??. http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/charging2009.html > ???????? ripe-437 > > > >> Max Tulyev ?????: >> >>> ?????? ????! >>> >>> ??-??????, ? ?????? ??????????, ??????? ????? ??????, ????? ??? ??? ??? >>> ????, ??? ? 2010-? ???? ??????????? ????? ?? ????? ??, ??? ? 2009-?, >>> ?????? ????????????? ?? ????? ??. >>> >>> ??-??????, RIPE ? RIPE NCC ??????? ???, ??? ??? ??? ????????? ????? >>> ?????? ?? ????????, ??????? ??? ??????????. ????? ????, ??? >>> ??????????????. ?????? ??? ?? ?????? ???????? ? ?????????? ? ????????? >>> ?? ????, ??????? ??????? ??? ?????????????. >>> >>> ???? ? ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????? ????????? - ?????? PI ????? ? AS. >>> ???? ?????????? (?????? ?????????? ? ??????????, ? ????? ? ???????????) >>> ??? ????? ???????????, ??????? ??? ??? ? ?????????. ?????? ????? >>> ???????????? ??????????? ?? ???? ?????????? ???????? ??? PI ? AS, ? >>> ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ??????????? ? ????? ?? PA (? ????, ??? >>> ?????????? ?? ?????? ?????). ?????? ???????????? ????????????? ?????? 50 >>> ???? ?? ??????, ?????? - ?? ??, ?? 100 ???? ?? ??????. >>> >>> ? ???? ???????? ???????? ? ???, ??? RIPE NCC ??????? ???????????? ?? >>> ????? ??????????????????? PI ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????????? ????? >>> ??????, ? ???????? ??????????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????, ??? ????? >>> ????????????. ? ??? ??? ????????? ???????? ?????, ??? ??? ???????-?? >>> ???????, ??? ????? ??????, ? ??????? ????? - ??????? ?? ????, ????? >>> ??????? ?????? >>> >>> ?? ?????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ???????, ?? ??? ????????, ??? ? >>> ???????? ?????????? ?? ????? ?? ????????? ???-?? ?????, ??????, 100 ???? >>> ?? ?? ??????, ? ?? ?????? /24... >>> >>> Eugen V. Zhuravlov wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi, Egor! >>>> >>>> ? ????? ??????, ???? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ??. >>>> ????????? ?????? ??????. ???? ???????? ??????? - ? 2010 ??? ?????? fee ??? ? 2009??. >>>> ????????????, ? ?????, ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????????, ??? ????? ????????? ??????? >>>> ?? ?????????? ?? 2010. ??? ? ?????, score ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????? PA. >>>> ? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????? Small ? Medium ??-?? ????, ??? ???????????????? >>>> ????????? AS'??. ?? ? 2010 ?? ???????? ???????? AS ??? ? ????? ???????. ?? ??? ?? ??????: >>>> ??? ????? ??? ??????????? ????????? ???-?? ????? ????????? RIPE ?? AS ? ?? PA? >>>> >>>> >>>> Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:38:32PM +0400, Egor Zimin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> ? ??? ???????, ? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ???: >>>>> "The main features of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 will be: >>>>> - As in previous years, there will be five membership categories - Extra Small, Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large >>>>> - The 2010 fee for each membership category will be the same as for 2009 >>>>> - An algorithm will determine a score that decides what category a member belongs to >>>>> - The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 allocated over time >>>>> - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment " >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 21:01 , Sergey Myasoedov wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ?????? ????! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ???????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? Scharging Scheme 2010. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Sergey >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Egor Zimin >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Egor Zimin >> >> >> > > > With respect, > Larisa Yurkina > --- > RIPN Registry center > ----- > > -- Best regards, Egor Zimin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ula at ripn.net Thu Jun 18 12:22:02 2009 From: ula at ripn.net (Larisa A. Yurkina) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:22:02 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <178259223.20090617205548@devnull.ru> Message-ID: <20090618132014.S63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Sergey Myasoedov wrote: ?????? ????! > > ???? ??????? ???????? ???. > > ??????????? ????????????? ? ??????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ??????????? Direct > Assignment (PI/ASn ???????). ?? ????? ???????, ????? ?? ??? ???? DA ???????? ?? ????????, > ?? ???????? ???????????? ??????????? ?????????. ? ??? ???????, ??? ?????: The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 allocated over time ?? ???? ? ?????? ???????. ????????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?????? PA ?????? ? ??????????????? ?? AS. ?????? ?? Direct assignements ????? ??? LIR ????????. ? ?????????? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ???????? ??? ????????? LIR ????? ?????????? ???????????, ??? ????? ?? ??????? ????????? ? ????? RIPE NCC ? ?????? ???????????????? ????????????????. ?????? DA ?? ???????? ???????? ?? ???????, ????????? DA ??? ?? ?? ???????? ??? LIR ?????????????, RIPE NCC ?????? ???, ??? ???????? ????????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ??????????. ??? ? ?????. > > ???????? ?? ??, ??? ? ????????? ??????????? DA ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ????????, ?? GM-2009 > ???? ?????????? ???????? ???????????: > > A. ??????? Charging scheme. > B. ??????????? ?? DA: > B1. 50 eur/DA > B2. 100 eur/DA > C. ??????????? ?? ?????????? DA: > ???-?? DA Fee > 1 50 > 2-5 100 > 6-10 200 > 11-20 400 > 21-30 750 > 31-50 1500 > 51-100 2500 > 100+ 4000 > > ????? ??, ?? GM, ???? ????????? ??????????????? ???????????. ??????? ??????? B1 ? > ????????? ????????? ??? ????????? A. > > ? ?????, ? ???? ???????????? ???????????, ??? ?????????? ????? ??????? ??-????? ?? > ???????? ?? ?????????????? RIPE NCC. ??????? ? ?????????? Executive Board ?? ??, ??? ???? > ?????? ?? ??? ???????? ??? ????????. ???????, ??????? ?????? ?????? ??? ???????? ? ?????? > ??????? ? ??????????. > > ? ???????? ???? ????? ?? ??????????? CFO RIPE NCC, ?????????? ????????? ????????? > ???????????. > http://vyborgtelecom.ru/variants.png > With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center ----- > > Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 8:18:47 PM, you wrote: > > SB> ? ??? ????? ???????? ? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ?.?, "The RIPE NCC > SB> will publish the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 at the beginning of July 2009" > >> ???????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? > >> Scharging Scheme 2010. > > -- > Sergey > > From sergey at devnull.ru Thu Jun 18 12:57:27 2009 From: sergey at devnull.ru (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:57:27 +0200 Subject: KEY123 Re: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <4A3A18D4.6070701@gmail.com> References: <20090618142406.L63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4A3A18D4.6070701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <13210531159.20090618125727@devnull.ru> ??? ???????, ??? ???? ????????? ???????? ????????, ??????????? ??????????? ????? LIR ?????????? ?? ??????? ? - ?????????? ??????? Charging Scheme. ? ????? ????, ???? ?? ????? ???? ???????????? ???????? ????? ??? ??? LIR, ??? ?? ???????????? DA - ????? ????????? SC ???? ?? ???????????. Thursday, June 18, 2009, 12:37:08 PM, you wrote: EZ> ?????. ????? ???? - ??? ???????????? ;) EZ> ??????, ???? ?????????? ?????? ? ???? ???????, ?? ?? IPv4 PI, ?? AS ?? EZ> ?????? ????????, ?.?. "services that a member receives from the RIPE EZ> NCC" ?? ?????????? ? ?? ?????????, ????????? ??? ????????, ?????????? ? EZ> 2010. EZ> ???????, ????????, ??? ????????? ??, ???, ????????? ? ???????, ??? RIR? EZ> ? ????? ? RIPE ? ????????? ???????????? ?? _????????_ ????????????? EZ> ????????? ???????????? ?? ????????? ?? ???????????. ???? ??????? EZ> ?????????? IPv4-???????, ??? ? ???????, ????? ?????? ?? ???????? EZ> "?????????? ????????????? ???????" ? ????? ?? ???????? ??????? ????? ?? EZ> IPv4 PI ???????? ????????? ????? ?? "services that a member receives EZ> from the RIPE NCC". EZ> ? ??? ???????????? AS ?????? ????? ???, ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ?????????? EZ> ?????????? ??? ?????????. EZ> Larisa A. Yurkina ?????: >> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Egor Zimin wrote: >> >> >>> ?????? ????. >>> >> >> ?????? ????! >> >> >>> Max, >>> ??-?????, ??? ??? ????, "??????? ?????? ????? ???? PI assignment" ??? >>> LIR'a. ???, ??? ? ???????, ??????? ?? Appendix 1 :Billing Score >>> Algorithm: http://ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-437.html >>> ??? ?????, ?? ??? ?????? ? ???????? ???????? ??????????????? ??? LIRs, >>> ?.?. PI Assignment'? ???????????? ????????? ???? ? ?????? score, ? >>> ?????????? Annual Service Fee ?????????? ?????? ??? ???????? ? ?????? >>> ?????????. ??? ??? ??????, ? ????????, ????? ???????? ???? ?? ???? ???, >>> ?????? ?? ?????????????? ???????????. >>> >>> ????? ? ? ???? ???????? ? ???, ??? ??? ??????? ??????????? ? ???, ??? >>> ????????????? ?????? ?? ??????(????? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ????) ?? >>> ?????????? ? ??????????. >>> >>> ? ??? ??? ????????? ????????? ????????? ??????. >>> ???????? ????????????? ?????? ?? PI ? AS - ??? ?????????? ????? >>> ?????????? ???? ????????. IPv4-?????? ?????????????, ???????????? PI >>> ????? ??????, ?? ?????? ??????????? ????????????? ?????? ?? AS, ??? ???, >>> ??? ASN32 ??? ????? ???? ???????????? ???????? ??????? ?? ????????? ? >>> ???????? ? ????????? ASN ? ????????? ????? ?? ??????????? ? >>> >> >> As Internet number resources do not have a value in themselves, the RIPE NCC charges an annual service fee based on the services that a member receives from the RIPE NCC >> ??. http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/charging2009.html >> ???????? ripe-437 >> >> >> >>> Max Tulyev ?????: >>> >>>> ?????? ????! >>>> >>>> ??-??????, ? ?????? ??????????, ??????? ????? ??????, ????? ??? ??? ??? >>>> ????, ??? ? 2010-? ???? ??????????? ????? ?? ????? ??, ??? ? 2009-?, >>>> ?????? ????????????? ?? ????? ??. >>>> >>>> ??-??????, RIPE ? RIPE NCC ??????? ???, ??? ??? ??? ????????? ????? >>>> ?????? ?? ????????, ??????? ??? ??????????. ????? ????, ??? >>>> ??????????????. ?????? ??? ?? ?????? ???????? ? ?????????? ? ????????? >>>> ?? ????, ??????? ??????? ??? ?????????????. >>>> >>>> ???? ? ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????? ????????? - ?????? PI ????? ? AS. >>>> ???? ?????????? (?????? ?????????? ? ??????????, ? ????? ? ???????????) >>>> ??? ????? ???????????, ??????? ??? ??? ? ?????????. ?????? ????? >>>> ???????????? ??????????? ?? ???? ?????????? ???????? ??? PI ? AS, ? >>>> ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ??????????? ? ????? ?? PA (? ????, ??? >>>> ?????????? ?? ?????? ?????). ?????? ???????????? ????????????? ?????? 50 >>>> ???? ?? ??????, ?????? - ?? ??, ?? 100 ???? ?? ??????. >>>> >>>> ? ???? ???????? ???????? ? ???, ??? RIPE NCC ??????? ???????????? ?? >>>> ????? ??????????????????? PI ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????????? ????? >>>> ??????, ? ???????? ??????????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????, ??? ????? >>>> ????????????. ? ??? ??? ????????? ???????? ?????, ??? ??? ???????-?? >>>> ???????, ??? ????? ??????, ? ??????? ????? - ??????? ?? ????, ????? >>>> ??????? ?????? >>>> >>>> ?? ?????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ???????, ?? ??? ????????, ??? ? >>>> ???????? ?????????? ?? ????? ?? ????????? ???-?? ?????, ??????, 100 ???? >>>> ?? ?? ??????, ? ?? ?????? /24... >>>> >>>> Eugen V. Zhuravlov wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, Egor! >>>>> >>>>> ? ????? ??????, ???? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ??. >>>>> ????????? ?????? ??????. ???? ???????? ??????? - ? 2010 ??? ?????? fee ??? ? 2009??. >>>>> ????????????, ? ?????, ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????????, ??? ????? ????????? ??????? >>>>> ?? ?????????? ?? 2010. ??? ? ?????, score ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????? PA. >>>>> ? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????? Small ? Medium ??-?? ????, ??? ???????????????? >>>>> ????????? AS'??. ?? ? 2010 ?? ???????? ???????? AS ??? ? ????? ???????. ?? ??? ?? ??????: >>>>> ??? ????? ??? ??????????? ????????? ???-?? ????? ????????? RIPE ?? AS ? ?? PA? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:38:32PM +0400, Egor Zimin wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> ? ??? ???????, ? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ???: >>>>>> "The main features of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 will be: >>>>>> - As in previous years, there will be five membership categories - Extra Small, Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large >>>>>> - The 2010 fee for each membership category will be the same as for 2009 >>>>>> - An algorithm will determine a score that decides what category a member belongs to >>>>>> - The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 allocated over time >>>>>> - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment " >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 21:01 , Sergey Myasoedov wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?????? ????! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ???????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? Scharging Scheme 2010. -- Sergey From dmitry at volia.net Thu Jun 18 13:01:22 2009 From: dmitry at volia.net (Dmitry Kiselev) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:01:22 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <20090618132014.S63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <178259223.20090617205548@devnull.ru> <20090618132014.S63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <20090618110122.GY81265@f17.dmitry.net> ?????? ????! On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 02:22:02PM +0400, Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > ?????? ????! > > > > ???? ??????? ???????? ???. > > > > ??????????? ????????????? ? ??????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ??????????? Direct > > Assignment (PI/ASn ???????). ?? ????? ???????, ????? ?? ??? ???? DA ???????? ?? ????????, > > ?? ???????? ???????????? ??????????? ?????????. > > ? ??? ???????, ??? ?????: > The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 > allocated over time > > ?? ???? ? ?????? ???????. ????????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?????? PA ?????? ? > ??????????????? ?? AS. ?????? AS ? ?????? ????????? ???????????? ???? ?????? ????????. ??? ????? ?????????????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ????????? origin AS? ?????????? ? ? ???????? ???????: ???? AS ??????? ??? origin ??? ?????????? PA Allocations ? ?????????? PI Assignments. > ?????? ?? Direct assignements ????? ??? LIR ????????. > > ? ?????????? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ???????? ??? ????????? LIR ????? > ?????????? ???????????, ??? ????? ?? ??????? ????????? ? ????? RIPE NCC > ? ?????? ???????????????? ????????????????. ?????? DA ?? ???????? > ???????? ?? ???????, ????????? DA ??? ?? ?? ???????? ??? LIR ?????????????, PA allocation ???? ?? ???????? ????????????. > RIPE NCC ?????? ???, ??? ???????? ????????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ??????????. > ??? ? ?????. ? ???? ???? ??? ????????? ?????? ??? ??????? score ??????????? ?????? PA allocation, ? ??? ??????? DA fee ???????????? ?????? ?? ?????????. ?????-?? ????????????... > > ???????? ?? ??, ??? ? ????????? ??????????? DA ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ????????, ?? GM-2009 > > ???? ?????????? ???????? ???????????: > > > > A. ??????? Charging scheme. > > B. ??????????? ?? DA: > > B1. 50 eur/DA > > B2. 100 eur/DA > > C. ??????????? ?? ?????????? DA: > > ???-?? DA Fee > > 1 50 > > 2-5 100 > > 6-10 200 > > 11-20 400 > > 21-30 750 > > 31-50 1500 > > 51-100 2500 > > 100+ 4000 > > > > ????? ??, ?? GM, ???? ????????? ??????????????? ???????????. ??????? ??????? B1 ? > > ????????? ????????? ??? ????????? A. > > > > ? ?????, ? ???? ???????????? ???????????, ??? ?????????? ????? ??????? ??-????? ?? > > ???????? ?? ?????????????? RIPE NCC. ??????? ? ?????????? Executive Board ?? ??, ??? ???? > > ?????? ?? ??? ???????? ??? ????????. ???????, ??????? ?????? ?????? ??? ???????? ? ?????? > > ??????? ? ??????????. > > > > ? ???????? ???? ????? ?? ??????????? CFO RIPE NCC, ?????????? ????????? ????????? > > ???????????. > > http://vyborgtelecom.ru/variants.png > > > > With respect, > Larisa Yurkina > --- > RIPN Registry center > ----- > > > > > > Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 8:18:47 PM, you wrote: > > > > SB> ? ??? ????? ???????? ? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ?.?, "The RIPE NCC > > SB> will publish the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 at the beginning of July 2009" > > >> ???????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? > > >> Scharging Scheme 2010. > > > > -- > > Sergey > > -- Dmitry Kiselev From dmitry at volia.net Thu Jun 18 13:43:23 2009 From: dmitry at volia.net (Dmitry Kiselev) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:43:23 +0300 Subject: KEY123 Re: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <20090618132014.S63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <178259223.20090617205548@devnull.ru> <20090618132014.S63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <20090618114323.GZ81265@f17.dmitry.net> ?????? ????! On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 02:22:02PM +0400, Larisa A. Yurkina wrote: > ?????? ????! > > > > ???? ??????? ???????? ???. > > > > ??????????? ????????????? ? ??????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ??????????? Direct > > Assignment (PI/ASn ???????). ?? ????? ???????, ????? ?? ??? ???? DA ???????? ?? ????????, > > ?? ???????? ???????????? ??????????? ?????????. > > ? ??? ???????, ??? ?????: > The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 > allocated over time > > ?? ???? ? ?????? ???????. ????????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?????? PA ?????? ? > ??????????????? ?? AS. ?????? AS ? ?????? ????????? ???????????? ???? ?????? ????????. ??? ????? ?????????????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ????????? origin AS? ?????????? ? ? ???????? ???????: ???? AS ??????? ??? origin ??? ?????????? PA Allocations ? ?????????? PI Assignments. > ?????? ?? Direct assignements ????? ??? LIR ????????. > > ? ?????????? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ???????? ??? ????????? LIR ????? > ?????????? ???????????, ??? ????? ?? ??????? ????????? ? ????? RIPE NCC > ? ?????? ???????????????? ????????????????. ?????? DA ?? ???????? > ???????? ?? ???????, ????????? DA ??? ?? ?? ???????? ??? LIR ?????????????, PA allocation ???? ?? ???????? ????????????. > RIPE NCC ?????? ???, ??? ???????? ????????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ??????????. > ??? ? ?????. ? ???? ???? ??? ????????? ?????? ??? ??????? score ??????????? ?????? PA allocation, ? ??? ??????? DA fee ???????????? ?????? ?? ?????????. ?????-?? ????????????... > > ???????? ?? ??, ??? ? ????????? ??????????? DA ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ????????, ?? GM-2009 > > ???? ?????????? ???????? ???????????: > > > > A. ??????? Charging scheme. > > B. ??????????? ?? DA: > > B1. 50 eur/DA > > B2. 100 eur/DA > > C. ??????????? ?? ?????????? DA: > > ???-?? DA Fee > > 1 50 > > 2-5 100 > > 6-10 200 > > 11-20 400 > > 21-30 750 > > 31-50 1500 > > 51-100 2500 > > 100+ 4000 > > > > ????? ??, ?? GM, ???? ????????? ??????????????? ???????????. ??????? ??????? B1 ? > > ????????? ????????? ??? ????????? A. > > > > ? ?????, ? ???? ???????????? ???????????, ??? ?????????? ????? ??????? ??-????? ?? > > ???????? ?? ?????????????? RIPE NCC. ??????? ? ?????????? Executive Board ?? ??, ??? ???? > > ?????? ?? ??? ???????? ??? ????????. ???????, ??????? ?????? ?????? ??? ???????? ? ?????? > > ??????? ? ??????????. > > > > ? ???????? ???? ????? ?? ??????????? CFO RIPE NCC, ?????????? ????????? ????????? > > ???????????. > > http://vyborgtelecom.ru/variants.png > > > > With respect, > Larisa Yurkina > --- > RIPN Registry center > ----- > > > > > > Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 8:18:47 PM, you wrote: > > > > SB> ? ??? ????? ???????? ? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ?.?, "The RIPE NCC > > SB> will publish the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 at the beginning of July 2009" > > >> ???????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? > > >> Scharging Scheme 2010. > > > > -- > > Sergey > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dmitry Kiselev From info at iphost.gr Thu Jun 18 13:49:10 2009 From: info at iphost.gr (info at iphost.gr) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:49:10 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] [IpDomain #ANQ-36356-371]: [ncc-announce] Proposed Draft Charging Scheme 2010 In-Reply-To: <4A38BD4C.9050608@ripe.net> References: <4A38BD4C.9050608@ripe.net> Message-ID: Deas sirs, Thank you for your email . Please explain us what "- Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment " exactly means, because we do not understand it. Best Regards, Nikos Prokopiou IpHost Team ---------------------- +30.2105445900 www.ipdomain.net www.iphost.gr > [Apologies for duplicate emails] > > Dear Colleagues, > > The RIPE NCC is currently formulating the Draft Charging Scheme 2010. > The Draft Charging Scheme 2010 will take into account the requirements > of policy proposal 2007-01, "Direct Internet ResourceAssignments to End > Users from the RIPE NCC", and the discussions that took place at the > RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2009 regarding the 2010 Charging Scheme. > > The main features of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 will be: > > - As in previous years, there will be five membership categories - Extra > Small, Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large > - The 2010 fee for each membership category will be the same as for 2009 > - An algorithm will determine a score that decides what category a > member belongsto > - The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 > allocated over time > - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the > fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment > > The RIPE NCC will publish the DraftCharging Scheme 2010 at the > beginning of July 2009. The RIPE NCC Executive Board will then monitor > discussion and input from the RIPE NCC membership before publishing a > final version of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 by 9 September 2009. The > RIPENCC membership will vote on this version at the RIPE NCC General > Meeting on 7 October 2009. > > The RIPE NCC notes that this proposal for the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 > is subject to change based on advice from the RIPE NCC's lawyers on tax > and legal issues. > > Membership discussion of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 proposal can > take place at . > > Best regards, > > Axel Pawlik > Managing Director > RIPE NCC > > From dburk at burkov.aha.ru Thu Jun 18 14:32:08 2009 From: dburk at burkov.aha.ru (Dmitry Burkov) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:32:08 +0400 Subject: KEY123 Re: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <13210531159.20090618125727@devnull.ru> References: <20090618142406.L63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4A3A18D4.6070701@gmail.com> <13210531159.20090618125727@devnull.ru> Message-ID: <4A3A33C8.2080704@burkov.aha.ru> Sergey Myasoedov wrote: > ??? ???????, ??? ???? ????????? ???????? ????????, ??????????? ??????????? ????? LIR > ?????????? ?? ??????? ? - ?????????? ??????? Charging Scheme. > ?? ?? ??? ??????????? ??? ?? ????? ??????????? - ?? ???? ????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? - RIPE NCC ???????????? ???????? ?? ?? ???????? ? ??????? > ? ????? ????, ???? ?? ????? ???? ???????????? ???????? ????? ??? ??? LIR, ??? ?? > ???????????? DA - ????? ????????? SC ???? ?? ???????????. > ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ? ????? ???? > > > Thursday, June 18, 2009, 12:37:08 PM, you wrote: > > EZ> ?????. ????? ???? - ??? ???????????? ;) > > EZ> ??????, ???? ?????????? ?????? ? ???? ???????, ?? ?? IPv4 PI, ?? AS ?? > EZ> ?????? ????????, ?.?. "services that a member receives from the RIPE > EZ> NCC" ?? ?????????? ? ?? ?????????, ????????? ??? ????????, ?????????? ? > EZ> 2010. > EZ> ???????, ????????, ??? ????????? ??, ???, ????????? ? ???????, ??? RIR? > EZ> ? ????? ? RIPE ? ????????? ???????????? ?? _????????_ ????????????? > EZ> ????????? ???????????? ?? ????????? ?? ???????????. ???? ??????? > EZ> ?????????? IPv4-???????, ??? ? ???????, ????? ?????? ?? ???????? > EZ> "?????????? ????????????? ???????" ? ????? ?? ???????? ??????? ????? ?? > EZ> IPv4 PI ???????? ????????? ????? ?? "services that a member receives > EZ> from the RIPE NCC". > EZ> ? ??? ???????????? AS ?????? ????? ???, ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ?????????? > EZ> ?????????? ??? ?????????. > > EZ> Larisa A. Yurkina ?????: > >>> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Egor Zimin wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> ?????? ????. >>>> >>>> >>> ?????? ????! >>> >>> >>> >>>> Max, >>>> ??-?????, ??? ??? ????, "??????? ?????? ????? ???? PI assignment" ??? >>>> LIR'a. ???, ??? ? ???????, ??????? ?? Appendix 1 :Billing Score >>>> Algorithm: http://ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-437.html >>>> ??? ?????, ?? ??? ?????? ? ???????? ???????? ??????????????? ??? LIRs, >>>> ?.?. PI Assignment'? ???????????? ????????? ???? ? ?????? score, ? >>>> ?????????? Annual Service Fee ?????????? ?????? ??? ???????? ? ?????? >>>> ?????????. ??? ??? ??????, ? ????????, ????? ???????? ???? ?? ???? ???, >>>> ?????? ?? ?????????????? ???????????. >>>> >>>> ????? ? ? ???? ???????? ? ???, ??? ??? ??????? ??????????? ? ???, ??? >>>> ????????????? ?????? ?? ??????(????? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ????) ?? >>>> ?????????? ? ??????????. >>>> >>>> ? ??? ??? ????????? ????????? ????????? ??????. >>>> ???????? ????????????? ?????? ?? PI ? AS - ??? ?????????? ????? >>>> ?????????? ???? ????????. IPv4-?????? ?????????????, ???????????? PI >>>> ????? ??????, ?? ?????? ??????????? ????????????? ?????? ?? AS, ??? ???, >>>> ??? ASN32 ??? ????? ???? ???????????? ???????? ??????? ?? ????????? ? >>>> ???????? ? ????????? ASN ? ????????? ????? ?? ??????????? ? >>>> >>>> >>> As Internet number resources do not have a value in themselves, the RIPE NCC charges an annual service fee based on the services that a member receives from the RIPE NCC >>> ??. http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/charging2009.html >>> ???????? ripe-437 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Max Tulyev ?????: >>>> >>>> >>>>> ?????? ????! >>>>> >>>>> ??-??????, ? ?????? ??????????, ??????? ????? ??????, ????? ??? ??? ??? >>>>> ????, ??? ? 2010-? ???? ??????????? ????? ?? ????? ??, ??? ? 2009-?, >>>>> ?????? ????????????? ?? ????? ??. >>>>> >>>>> ??-??????, RIPE ? RIPE NCC ??????? ???, ??? ??? ??? ????????? ????? >>>>> ?????? ?? ????????, ??????? ??? ??????????. ????? ????, ??? >>>>> ??????????????. ?????? ??? ?? ?????? ???????? ? ?????????? ? ????????? >>>>> ?? ????, ??????? ??????? ??? ?????????????. >>>>> >>>>> ???? ? ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ???????? ????????? - ?????? PI ????? ? AS. >>>>> ???? ?????????? (?????? ?????????? ? ??????????, ? ????? ? ???????????) >>>>> ??? ????? ???????????, ??????? ??? ??? ? ?????????. ?????? ????? >>>>> ???????????? ??????????? ?? ???? ?????????? ???????? ??? PI ? AS, ? >>>>> ????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ??????????? ? ????? ?? PA (? ????, ??? >>>>> ?????????? ?? ?????? ?????). ?????? ???????????? ????????????? ?????? 50 >>>>> ???? ?? ??????, ?????? - ?? ??, ?? 100 ???? ?? ??????. >>>>> >>>>> ? ???? ???????? ???????? ? ???, ??? RIPE NCC ??????? ???????????? ?? >>>>> ????? ??????????????????? PI ? ????????? ???????? ? ??????????? ????? >>>>> ??????, ? ???????? ??????????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????, ??? ????? >>>>> ????????????. ? ??? ??? ????????? ???????? ?????, ??? ??? ???????-?? >>>>> ???????, ??? ????? ??????, ? ??????? ????? - ??????? ?? ????, ????? >>>>> ??????? ?????? >>>>> >>>>> ?? ?????? ? ????????????? ?????????? ???????, ?? ??? ????????, ??? ? >>>>> ???????? ?????????? ?? ????? ?? ????????? ???-?? ?????, ??????, 100 ???? >>>>> ?? ?? ??????, ? ?? ?????? /24... >>>>> >>>>> Eugen V. Zhuravlov wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Egor! >>>>>> >>>>>> ? ????? ??????, ???? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????????? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ??. >>>>>> ????????? ?????? ??????. ???? ???????? ??????? - ? 2010 ??? ?????? fee ??? ? 2009??. >>>>>> ????????????, ? ?????, ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????????, ??? ????? ????????? ??????? >>>>>> ?? ?????????? ?? 2010. ??? ? ?????, score ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????? PA. >>>>>> ? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????? Small ? Medium ??-?? ????, ??? ???????????????? >>>>>> ????????? AS'??. ?? ? 2010 ?? ???????? ???????? AS ??? ? ????? ???????. ?? ??? ?? ??????: >>>>>> ??? ????? ??? ??????????? ????????? ???-?? ????? ????????? RIPE ?? AS ? ?? PA? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:38:32PM +0400, Egor Zimin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ? ??? ???????, ? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ???: >>>>>>> "The main features of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 will be: >>>>>>> - As in previous years, there will be five membership categories - Extra Small, Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large >>>>>>> - The 2010 fee for each membership category will be the same as for 2009 >>>>>>> - An algorithm will determine a score that decides what category a member belongs to >>>>>>> - The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 allocated over time >>>>>>> - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment " >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 21:01 , Sergey Myasoedov wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ?????? ????! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ???????? ?? ????? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ???????????? ? ???????? Scharging Scheme 2010. >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > -- > Sergey > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sergey at devnull.ru Thu Jun 18 14:53:29 2009 From: sergey at devnull.ru (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:53:29 +0200 Subject: KEY123 Re: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <4A3A33C8.2080704@burkov.aha.ru> References: <20090618142406.L63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4A3A18D4.6070701@gmail.com> <13210531159.20090618125727@devnull.ru> <4A3A33C8.2080704@burkov.aha.ru> Message-ID: <758752660.20090618145329@devnull.ru> Thursday, June 18, 2009, 2:32:08 PM, you wrote: >> ??? ???????, ??? ???? ????????? ???????? ????????, ??????????? ??????????? ????? LIR >> ?????????? ?? ??????? ? - ?????????? ??????? Charging Scheme. DB> ?? ?? ??? ??????????? ??? ?? ???????, ??? ?????? APWG ?? GM - ??? ?????? ??????????? ?????? RIPE NCC. ???? ?? ?? ?? ?????, ??????? ?? ????????? GM ?????????? ?? ?????????????? ???? ?????????. DB> ??? ?? ????? ??????????? - ?? ???? ????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? - DB> RIPE NCC ???????????? ???????? ?? ?? ???????? ? ??????? ??? ??? ???????. ??????? ?????? ?????? ???????????? ???????, ? ?? ??????????? ???????, ??????? ??????????? ???????? ?? NCC. ???? ??? ???????? ???????????? ????????? ????????? ? ?????? ??? ????????????????????? IPv6 - ????? NCC ???? ????????. ??????, ????? ???????????? ????????? ???????? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ??????, ?????? LIRs ?????? ??????????? ? ??????? ????. -- Sergey From president at ukraine.su Thu Jun 18 15:01:57 2009 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:01:57 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <13210531159.20090618125727@devnull.ru> References: <20090618142406.L63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4A3A18D4.6070701@gmail.com> <13210531159.20090618125727@devnull.ru> Message-ID: <4A3A3AC5.7020105@ukraine.su> Sergey Myasoedov wrote: > ? ????? ????, ???? ?? ????? ???? ???????????? ???????? ????? ??? ??? LIR, ??? ?? > ???????????? DA - ????? ????????? SC ???? ?? ???????????. ??? ? ????? ?? ? ?? ???? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ??????? ? ???????????. ??????????????, ?????????????? ????? ???????? ???????? ????, ??????? ?????? "???????" ????. -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From sergey at devnull.ru Thu Jun 18 15:09:10 2009 From: sergey at devnull.ru (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:09:10 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <4A3A3AC5.7020105@ukraine.su> References: <20090618142406.L63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4A3A18D4.6070701@gmail.com> <13210531159.20090618125727@devnull.ru> <4A3A3AC5.7020105@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <345064712.20090618150910@devnull.ru> Thursday, June 18, 2009, 3:01:57 PM, you wrote: >> ? ????? ????, ???? ?? ????? ???? ???????????? ???????? ????? ??? ??? LIR, ??? ?? >> ???????????? DA - ????? ????????? SC ???? ?? ???????????. MT> ??? ? ????? ?? ? ?? ???? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ??????? ? MT> ???????????. ??????????????, ?????????????? ????? ???????? ???????? MT> ????, ??????? ?????? "???????" ????. ?? ??? ?????? ???????????? ????. - As in previous years, there will be five membership categories - Extra Small, Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large - The 2010 fee for each membership category will be the same as for 2009 ??? ?? ???????? ?????? ?? 200 kEUR ?????????. -- Sergey From poty at iiat.ru Thu Jun 18 15:22:03 2009 From: poty at iiat.ru (poty at iiat.ru) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:22:03 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 Message-ID: ??? ???? ???????, ??? ????? ?????????! > -----Original Message----- > From: Eugen V. Zhuravlov [mailto:hostmaster at radiocom.net.ua] > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 1:47 PM > To: Potapov Vladislav > Cc: hostmaster at radiocom.net.ua; lesnix at gmail.com; fabler at mtu.ru; > sergey at devnull.ru; regional-russia at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 > > Hi, poty! > > Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 01:29:51PM +0400, poty at iiat.ru wrote: > > > > ??? ????? ??? ??????????? ????????? ???-?? ????? ????????? RIPE ?? > AS ? > > > ?? PA? > > ??? ??? ????????: > > http://ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-437.html > > > > ? ??? - ?????????, ?????????????, ??????... ? ?????????... > ???????? ?????, ??? ???????? ????? ??? ??????: 7 PI, 1 PA ? 8 AS. > ???-?? ????????????? ???????????? ???? ????????? ? ????????. > > -- > Eugen V. Zhuravlov > KLV3-UANIC > http://www.radiocom.net.ua From marck at rinet.ru Thu Jun 18 15:24:38 2009 From: marck at rinet.ru (Dmitry Morozovsky) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:24:38 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, poty at iiat.ru wrote: > ??? ???? ???????, ??? ????? ?????????! ??? ????????? ? 2009 ????. ??? 2010 ??????? ??? ?? ?????????. -- Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, MCK-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] [ FreeBSD committer: marck at FreeBSD.org ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck at rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From poty at iiat.ru Thu Jun 18 15:27:24 2009 From: poty at iiat.ru (poty at iiat.ru) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:27:24 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 Message-ID: > > ? ??? ???????, ??? ?????: > The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 > allocated over time > > ?? ???? ? ?????? ???????. ????????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?????? PA > ?????? ? > ??????????????? ?? AS. ?????? ?? Direct assignements ????? ??? LIR > ????????. PA ?? ???????? ? ??????? ?? ???????? AS. ? ??? ??? ?? Direct Assignments ?????? ???? ?? ?? ???????????? ?????? ??? AS, ??????-??, ? Direct Assignments ???? ????? ????? ????????? (assignments - ??? ??? ???????? ????????????). ?.?. ????? ????????????, ??? AS ?????? ???????? ?? scoring-?? From president at ukraine.su Thu Jun 18 15:44:48 2009 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:44:48 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] KEY122 In-Reply-To: <13210531159.20090618125727@devnull.ru> References: <20090618142406.L63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4A3A18D4.6070701@gmail.com> <13210531159.20090618125727@devnull.ru> Message-ID: <4A3A44D0.70109@ukraine.su> Sergey Myasoedov wrote: > ? ????? ????, ???? ?? ????? ???? ???????????? ???????? ????? ??? ??? LIR, ??? ?? > ???????????? DA - ????? ????????? SC ???? ?? ???????????. ??? ? ????? ?? ? ?? ???? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ??????? ? ???????????. ??????????????, ?????????????? ????? ???????? ???????? ????, ??????? ?????? "???????" ????. -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From ula at ripn.net Thu Jun 18 15:46:38 2009 From: ula at ripn.net (Larisa A. Yurkina) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:46:38 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090618173707.Q63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 poty at iiat.ru wrote: > > > > ? ??? ???????, ??? ?????: > > The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 > > allocated over time > > > > ?? ???? ? ?????? ???????. ????????? ??? ????? ??????????? ?????? PA > > ?????? ? > > ??????????????? ?? AS. ?????? ?? Direct assignements ????? ??? LIR > > ????????. > > PA ?? ???????? ? ??????? ?? ???????? AS. ? ??? ??? ?? Direct Assignments ?????? ???? ?? ?? ???????????? ?????? ??? AS, ??????-??, ? Direct Assignments ???? ????? ????? ????????? (assignments - ??? ??? ???????? ????????????). ?.?. ????? ????????????, ??? AS ?????? ???????? ?? scoring-?? > > Assignment ??? ??????????, ?????????????. Direct Assignment ??? ??????????, ????????????? ???????? "Direct asiignement User'?". Direct asiignement User'??? ????? ?????????? ???????????, ?????????? PI ?????? ?? ????? RIR ? AS. ? ripe-452 ??? ?? ?????????? Provider Independent Resource Holders, ??? ?? End Users of provider independent resources With respect, Larisa Yurkina --- RIPN Registry center ----- From president at ukraine.su Thu Jun 18 15:47:18 2009 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:47:18 +0300 Subject: KEY123 Re: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <4A3A33C8.2080704@burkov.aha.ru> References: <20090618142406.L63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4A3A18D4.6070701@gmail.com> <13210531159.20090618125727@devnull.ru> <4A3A33C8.2080704@burkov.aha.ru> Message-ID: <4A3A4566.4060104@ukraine.su> Dmitry Burkov wrote: > > > Sergey Myasoedov wrote: >> ??? ???????, ??? ???? ????????? ???????? ????????, ??????????? ??????????? ????? LIR >> ?????????? ?? ??????? ? - ?????????? ??????? Charging Scheme. >> > ?? ?? ??? ??????????? > > ??? ?? ????? ??????????? - ?? ???? ????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? - > RIPE NCC ???????????? ???????? ?? ?? ???????? ? ??????? ???-??? ???-??? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?????? ? ?????????! -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From president at ukraine.su Thu Jun 18 15:48:58 2009 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:48:58 +0300 Subject: KEY123 Re: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <758752660.20090618145329@devnull.ru> References: <20090618142406.L63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4A3A18D4.6070701@gmail.com> <13210531159.20090618125727@devnull.ru> <4A3A33C8.2080704@burkov.aha.ru> <758752660.20090618145329@devnull.ru> Message-ID: <4A3A45CA.3080409@ukraine.su> Sergey Myasoedov wrote: > ??? ?? ???????, ??? ?????? APWG ?? GM - ??? ?????? ??????????? ?????? RIPE NCC. ???????????-????-??-????? ;) > ???? ?? ?? > ?? ?????, ??????? ?? ????????? GM ?????????? ?? ?????????????? ???? ?????????. +1 -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From president at ukraine.su Thu Jun 18 15:50:53 2009 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:50:53 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <345064712.20090618150910@devnull.ru> References: <20090618142406.L63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4A3A18D4.6070701@gmail.com> <13210531159.20090618125727@devnull.ru> <4A3A3AC5.7020105@ukraine.su> <345064712.20090618150910@devnull.ru> Message-ID: <4A3A463D.6040403@ukraine.su> Sergey Myasoedov wrote: > - As in previous years, there will be five membership categories - Extra > Small, Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large > - The 2010 fee for each membership category will be the same as for 2009 > > ??? ?? ???????? ?????? ?? 200 kEUR ?????????. ??? ? ???? ??? ??? ???? ??????????? ??????? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ;) ??? ?????, ??? ? ?????? ????????? ???????? ? ???????? ??????... -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From sergey at devnull.ru Thu Jun 18 16:00:06 2009 From: sergey at devnull.ru (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:00:06 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <4A3A463D.6040403@ukraine.su> References: <20090618142406.L63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4A3A18D4.6070701@gmail.com> <13210531159.20090618125727@devnull.ru> <4A3A3AC5.7020105@ukraine.su> <345064712.20090618150910@devnull.ru> <4A3A463D.6040403@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <1276935400.20090618160006@devnull.ru> Thursday, June 18, 2009, 3:50:53 PM, you wrote: >> - As in previous years, there will be five membership categories - Extra >> Small, Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large >> - The 2010 fee for each membership category will be the same as for 2009 >> ??? ?? ???????? ?????? ?? 200 kEUR ?????????. MT> ??? ? ???? ??? ??? ???? ??????????? ??????? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ;) MT> ??? ?????, ??? ? ?????? ????????? ???????? ? ???????? ??????... ?? 0.2? - ??? ?? 2?, ?????????? ????? :) ? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????. PS. ? ????????? ?????????? ?????? Valuehost'? ?????? ? ????? KEY123. ?? ???????? ????????? ????, ??? ?? ????? ???????? ??????? ??? ????-???????????? ???????????? ?????. -- Sergey From president at ukraine.su Thu Jun 18 17:22:14 2009 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:22:14 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <20090618132014.S63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> References: <20090618132014.S63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> Message-ID: <4A3A5BA6.2090900@ukraine.su> ????????? ?????????! ???? ??????? ?????????? ????????. ?????? ??????-?? ??????, ??? ????? RIPE NCC ???? ??????? ? ??? ??? ????? ?????. ??? ???? ??????? ?????, ??? ???? ???????????, ?????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ??????, ?? ???? ??? ?? ??????. ??? ??????? ?? ???. ? ??????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ???? ??? ??????-???? ???????? ? ?????????? ??????? ???????? ????? PI-????? ? ?????????? ??????. ?????? ?? ????????, ??????? ???????? ????? ????, ?????????? ???? ????????????? ??? ????? ?? ???????-???????. ????? ???? ??? ?? ??? ????????? ????????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ? RIPE. ????? ?????? ?? ??? ???? "????????", ????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ? ??? ?????. ?????? ??, ????? ??????? ????? ?? ???????, ???????? ????????????? ??????? ???????? ??? ???????? ?????? ??????? ? ??? ????????? ??????? ??? ????????? ???????. ??? ??????????, ???????????? ?? ???? ??? ???? ???????????? ????????? ? ???????? ????????? ?? 2007-01 ??????? ??? - ?????????? ??????????? ????????? ? ?????? ?????????? ? ????????? ????????? ??????. ?????????, ?? ????????????. ?????????? ??????? (??????? ??? ??????????? ???????) ???? ??? ??? ??? ????? ???????? ??????? ????. ?????? ????? 2007-01 - ?????????? ??????? - ???? ??????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ??? ????????????? ??????. ????????, ????? ????? ???? ? ?????, ? ?? ? ????? ??????. ?? ??? ?? ??? ???? ? ?????? ?????????? 2007-01, ??????? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ? ????????? ? ?????????????? ??????????? ???????? ?? ?????? ???????? ? RIPE (?? ???? extra-small LIR ? ? ????????? ??????????????????? ????????????), ?? ? ????? LIR ? ????????? ????????? ? ????????. ?????? ?? ????? ????????????? ? ?????????? ?????????, ? ??? ?? ????????????? ?? ???????????? ?????? ???, ? ?? ????-?? ???, ?????. ?? ????? ??????, ???????????? ????? ?? ????????? ?? ???????? ????, ???? ??????? ??? ????????????, ??? ??? ???????? ? ????????? "???????-??????????" ????? (????????, ??? LIR ??? ??? ???? ??? Extra-Large, ? ??? ?????, ??????? ??? ? ??? ????? - ?? ?????? ?? ???????? ?? ???????). ?? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ? ?????????, ?? ??? ?????? ??????? ?????? - ? ???? ??????? ?????? ??????????. ? ??? LIR-?? ? ??????? ?? ??????? ? - ?????? ;) -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From sergey at devnull.ru Thu Jun 18 17:41:14 2009 From: sergey at devnull.ru (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:41:14 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <4A3A5BA6.2090900@ukraine.su> References: <20090618132014.S63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4A3A5BA6.2090900@ukraine.su> Message-ID: <23928080.20090618174114@devnull.ru> Thursday, June 18, 2009, 5:22:14 PM, you wrote: MT> ?? ????? ??????, ???????????? ????? ?? ????????? ?? ???????? ????, ???? MT> ??????? ??? ????????????, ??? ??? ???????? ? ????????? MT> "???????-??????????" ????? (????????, ??? LIR ??? ??? ???? ??? MT> Extra-Large, ? ??? ?????, ??????? ??? ? ??? ????? - ?? ?????? ?? MT> ???????? ?? ???????). ?? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ? MT> ?????????, ?? ??? ?????? ??????? ?????? - ? ???? ??????? ?????? MT> ??????????. ? ??? LIR-?? ? ??????? ?? ??????? ? - ?????? ;) ??? ?? ?? PA-??????? ?? ????????? ?? ???????. ?? PI ? ???????????? ? 2007-01 ?????? ??????? End User'?, ??? ?? ??? ?? ? ?????. ? ???? ????? ??????? ???????? B ??? C, ?? ????????? ?????? ????????, ?? ?????????, ?? 4.5 ?? 85 kEUR. ??, ? ??????? ?????? ???? ?????, ??????????? ???????? PA ????? ??? PI, ????????, ? ?????? ? sub-allocated. ????? ??????? ??????? ??? ?????, ? ?? ?????? proposal ????. ?????? ????????? NCC ?????????? ????? ? ???? ?? ??????. ??????? ???????????? ????????? ?? ???????? ?????????, ?? ??? ????. ???????? LIR, ??????? ????? ??????? ???????? ???????????? ?????. ? ? ????, ??? ????? ????????. ????? ???????? ?? ????, ??????. ?????????? ????? ?????? ??? ?????????????? ?????? LIR ? XS ????????? ? ? ??????? ???? ?????????? DA ?? ????. ? ??? ?????? ???. ???? ??????? ????????? ???????????, ?????? ? ?? ????? 10-15 ?.?., ????? ???????? ? NCC - 3 kEUR. -- Sergey From lesnix at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 18:01:50 2009 From: lesnix at gmail.com (Egor Zimin) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:01:50 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <23928080.20090618174114@devnull.ru> References: <20090618132014.S63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4A3A5BA6.2090900@ukraine.su> <23928080.20090618174114@devnull.ru> Message-ID: <4A3A64EE.7000608@gmail.com> +1 ? ?????? ??????! ??????? "???????-??????????" ?????. ?? ?? ?? ??????? ????????? ?????????????? ?????????? PI ?????? ??????, ??? score ?? ?? ??????????? ??? ????? ?? ??????? ???? ??????????? ?????????. ?? ? ? ???? ??, ??????? ????????? ????? End User'a ?????? sponsored LIR? - ??? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????. ??? ??? ??????? ???????-?????????? ????? ? ?????? ???????????? ????, ???? ??????? ??? ????????????. ??????? ?????? ?? ???, ??? ???? ??????? ????? ????????? LIR'?? ????? ?????????? ?? ??????????? PI, ?? ???? ? per-assignment ??????? ??? ??????????? ??????? ?????????. ? ??? ??? ? ?????? ?????? ?? ??????? NCC ??????????, ?????? ????????? ????? ?????? ????????, ??? ????? ?????????????? ? ?????????? ? End-User'??? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??????????? "????? , ?????? ? ??? ???? ??????????? ????? policy" ? ????? ? ????????? ????? ?? ????. ??????, ??? ??????????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ?????? ??? ???????????(? per-assignment ??????? - ??? ???????????) PI-????????. ?????? ? ????????????? ???, ??? ????????? IPv4 PI(? ??????) ????? ???????? ????? ??? ? ????? ? ?????????????? ?? ???????????. Sergey Myasoedov ?????: > Thursday, June 18, 2009, 5:22:14 PM, you wrote: > > MT> ?? ????? ??????, ???????????? ????? ?? ????????? ?? ???????? ????, ???? > MT> ??????? ??? ????????????, ??? ??? ???????? ? ????????? > MT> "???????-??????????" ????? (????????, ??? LIR ??? ??? ???? ??? > MT> Extra-Large, ? ??? ?????, ??????? ??? ? ??? ????? - ?? ?????? ?? > MT> ???????? ?? ???????). ?? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ? > MT> ?????????, ?? ??? ?????? ??????? ?????? - ? ???? ??????? ?????? > MT> ??????????. ? ??? LIR-?? ? ??????? ?? ??????? ? - ?????? ;) > > ??? ?? ?? PA-??????? ?? ????????? ?? ???????. ?? PI ? ???????????? ? 2007-01 ?????? > ??????? End User'?, ??? ?? ??? ?? ? ?????. ? ???? ????? ??????? ???????? B ??? C, ?? > ????????? ?????? ????????, ?? ?????????, ?? 4.5 ?? 85 kEUR. > > ??, ? ??????? ?????? ???? ?????, ??????????? ???????? PA ????? ??? PI, ????????, ? ?????? > ? sub-allocated. ????? ??????? ??????? ??? ?????, ? ?? ?????? proposal ????. > > ?????? ????????? NCC ?????????? ????? ? ???? ?? ??????. ??????? ???????????? ????????? ?? > ???????? ?????????, ?? ??? ????. ???????? LIR, ??????? ????? ??????? ???????? ???????????? > ?????. ? ? ????, ??? ????? ????????. ????? ???????? ?? ????, ??????. ?????????? ????? > ?????? ??? ?????????????? ?????? LIR ? XS ????????? ? ? ??????? ???? ?????????? DA ?? > ????. ? ??? ?????? ???. ???? ??????? ????????? ???????????, ?????? ? ?? ????? 10-15 ?.?., > ????? ???????? ? NCC - 3 kEUR. > > > -- > Sergey > > -- Best regards, Egor Zimin From president at ukraine.su Fri Jun 19 19:01:56 2009 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:01:56 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <23928080.20090618174114@devnull.ru> References: <20090618132014.S63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4A3A5BA6.2090900@ukraine.su> <23928080.20090618174114@devnull.ru> Message-ID: <4A3BC484.8050201@ukraine.su> Sergey Myasoedov wrote: > ?????? ????????? NCC ?????????? ????? ? ???? ?? ??????. ??????? ???????????? ????????? ?? > ???????? ?????????, ?? ??? ????. ???????? LIR, ??????? ????? ??????? ???????? ???????????? > ?????. ? ? ????, ??? ????? ????????. ????? ???????? ?? ????, ??????. ?????????? ????? > ?????? ??? ?????????????? ?????? LIR ? XS ????????? ? ? ??????? ???? ?????????? DA ?? > ????. ? ??? ?????? ???. ???? ??????? ????????? ???????????, ?????? ? ?? ????? 10-15 ?.?., > ????? ???????? ? NCC - 3 kEUR. ???, ? ???? ????????????? ?????????????? ?????? ???????? ? ???????? - ?? ????? ?????????? ? ??? ????? 10-15 ?.?., ????????? ? ??????? ;) ?????? ??????, ??? ??????? ????? ???????? ???? ???????? ????? ???? ??? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?? ?????????, ?????? ??? ??? ???????? DA ?????????? ? ????????? DA ????. -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From president at ukraine.su Fri Jun 19 19:12:12 2009 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:12:12 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] Charging Scheme-2010 In-Reply-To: <4A3A64EE.7000608@gmail.com> References: <20090618132014.S63976-100000@capral.ripn.net> <4A3A5BA6.2090900@ukraine.su> <23928080.20090618174114@devnull.ru> <4A3A64EE.7000608@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A3BC6EC.3000707@ukraine.su> Egor Zimin wrote: > +1 ? ?????? ??????! > ??????? "???????-??????????" ?????. ????????. ? ??? ??? ??? ????????????? ???????? ???????? per-da ???????????! ;) > ?? ?? ?? ??????? ????????? > ?????????????? ?????????? PI ?????? ??????, ??? score ?? ?? ??????????? > ??? ????? ?? ??????? ???? ??????????? ?????????. ?????????????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ????????? ??? ????????. ?????? ?? ? ???? ???????, ????????, ??????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ????????? ??????????, ? ??? ?????. > ?? ? ? ???? ??, ??????? > ????????? ????? End User'a ?????? sponsored LIR? - ??? ??????? ???????? > ????? ?????. ? ??? ?? ?????, ??????????? ?????? ?? ??????????. ?????, ??? ??????? ? ??????? ??????? ?????? 1 ??????? ? ???, ????????? ????????????? ??????. ?????? ????, ?????? LIR ????? ? ???? ?????? ???????? ???? ???? ? ??????? ??. ???? - ?????? ?????. > ??? ??? ??????? ???????-?????????? ????? ? ?????? > ???????????? ????, ???? ??????? ??? ????????????. ??????? ?????? ?? ???, > ??? ???? ??????? ????? ????????? LIR'?? ????? ?????????? ?? ??????????? > PI, ?? ???? ? per-assignment ??????? ??? ??????????? ??????? ?????????. ??? ??? ??????? ??? ?????? ????????? ????. ??????, ???? ? ?????????? 100 ???? ?? DA ? ??? - ? ?????? ?????? ? ?????? ???? ? 100 ???? ? ????? ?? ???? ? ??????, ? ?? ?????? - ?????? ???? ? 150 ????, ?? ??????? ?? ?? ????? 100 ???? ????? ? ??????, ? 50 - ????????? ? RIPE. ??? ? ??? ??????????-??? > ? ??? ??? ? ?????? ?????? ?? ??????? NCC ??????????, ?????? ????????? > ????? ?????? ????????, ??? ????? ?????????????? ? ?????????? ? > End-User'??? ? ????? ? ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??????????, ????????? ??????? ? ??????? ????????????? - ????????? ?????????? ?? 2007-01. ??? ???????? ?? ????? RIPE ? ??????? ?????? adress-policy-wg. ??? ?????? ??? ? ?????????? ??????? ?????????? - ?????? ???????? ? ???????. ? ?????? ??? ? ???? ? ????????? ???? RIR'??. ? ?????????, ??? ?????? ??? ?? ??????? ???????? ? LIR'?? ???? (?? ????? ?????) - ? ???? ??????? ???????, ?? ????? ? ????????? ??????. > > ??????????? "????? , ?????? ? ??? ???? ??????????? ????? policy" ? ????? > ? ????????? ????? ?? ????. ??????, ??? ??????????? ?????? ?? ?????????? > ?????? ??? ???????????(? per-assignment ??????? - ??? ???????????) > PI-????????. ?????? ? ????????????? ???, ??? ????????? IPv4 PI(? ??????) > ????? ???????? ????? ??? ? ????? ? ?????????????? ?? ???????????. ?? ?????? ?? ??? ??????????? ? ??????????? ???? - ???????? ??????? ?????, ??? ? ???. -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From billing at ripe.net Mon Jun 22 12:57:00 2009 From: billing at ripe.net (RIPE NCC Billing Department) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:57:00 +0200 Subject: NCC#2009063764 [regional-russia] [IpDomain #ANQ-36356-371]: [ncc-announce] Proposed Draft Charging Scheme 2010 In-Reply-To: on Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:49:10 +0300 References: <4A38BD4C.9050608@ripe.net> Message-ID: <200906221057.n5MAv0UG020215@dog.ripe.net> Dear Nikos, Thank you for your e-mail. At this moment we are charging IPv4 PI and AS numbers according to the billing score algorithm. An AS number or an IPv4 assignment are worth a number of points and the total number of points will determine your billing category. In the Proposed Draft Charging Scheme 2010 we are proposing to change this into a recurring fee of EUR 50 per assignment. If this proposal is approved all independent resources won't add up to the billing score like they do now, but they will be charged EUR 50 per resource (assignment or AS numbers). You can find more information about the billing score algorithm here: http://ripe.net/ripe/docs/charging2009.html -- If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us. Best regards, Laurens Hoogendoorn Customer Services RIPE NCC ============================================================ Visit www.IPv6ActNow.org, the one-stop website that explains everything you need to know about IPv6. ============================================================ On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:49:10 +0300, wrote: > Deas sirs, > > Thank you for your email . > > Please explain us what "- Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment " exactly means, because we do not understand it. > > Best Regards, > Nikos Prokopiou > IpHost Team > ---------------------- > +30.2105445900 > www.ipdomain.net > www.iphost.gr > > > > [Apologies for duplicate emails] > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > The RIPE NCC is currently formulating the Draft Charging Scheme 2010. > > The Draft Charging Scheme 2010 will take into account the requirements > > of policy proposal 2007-01, "Direct Internet ResourceAssignments to End > > Users from the RIPE NCC", and the discussions that took place at the > > RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2009 regarding the 2010 Charging Scheme. > > > > The main features of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 will be: > > > > - As in previous years, there will be five membership categories - Extra > > Small, Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large > > - The 2010 fee for each membership category will be the same as for 2009 > > - An algorithm will determine a score that decides what category a > > member belongsto > > - The score will be based on Provider Aggregatable (PA) IPv4 and PA IPv6 > > allocated over time > > - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the > > fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment > > > > The RIPE NCC will publish the DraftCharging Scheme 2010 at the > > beginning of July 2009. The RIPE NCC Executive Board will then monitor > > discussion and input from the RIPE NCC membership before publishing a > > final version of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 by 9 September 2009. The > > RIPENCC membership will vote on this version at the RIPE NCC General > > Meeting on 7 October 2009. > > > > The RIPE NCC notes that this proposal for the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 > > is subject to change based on advice from the RIPE NCC's lawyers on tax > > and legal issues. > > > > Membership discussion of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 proposal can > > take place at . > > > > Best regards, > > > > Axel Pawlik > > Managing Director > > RIPE NCC > > > >