<html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> </head> <body dir="auto"> @<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Steve Gibbard</span> <div> I totally agree. I think it's best for RIPE to analyze the data and ask probe owners to update the probe profiles if it's believed wrong.</div> <div><br> </div> <div> Maybe tag the probe if the information is suspicious or the owner does not respond?<br> <br> <div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Martin Boissonneault <div>Sent from my iPhone</div> </div> <div dir="ltr"><br> On Apr 23, 2019, at 12:36, "<a href="mailto:scg@gibbard.org">scg@gibbard.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:scg@gibbard.org">scg@gibbard.org</a>> wrote:<br> <br> </div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div dir="ltr">Having individual users contacting other individual users about probe location problems seems like a not very scalable solution to this problem. It both leaves it somewhat random which issues will be caught, and may leave probe owners whose probes look somewhat atypical having to explain their situation over and over again to random people. <div><br> </div> <div>I have a cron job that goes through the entire probe list every few hours and runs the IP addresses against the MaxMind Geolite databases. MaxMind has its own accuracy issues, but after a bunch of spot checking I decided that trusting the MaxMind answers was better than trusting the owner-reported information for the probes. </div> <div><br> </div> <div>If somebody wants to take a more systematic approach to getting the Atlas location data cleaned up, I’d be happy to share a diff. But I’d suggest that it be done by somebody with access to the database cleaning up things that look wrong, instead of bugging a bunch of individual probe owners. <br> <br> <div dir="ltr"> <div>-Steve</div> <div><br> </div> Steve Gibbard</div> <div dir="ltr"><br> On Apr 23, 2019, at 4:10 AM, Ponikierski, Grzegorz <<a href="mailto:gponikie@akamai.com">gponikie@akamai.com</a>> wrote:<br> <br> </div> <blockquote type="cite"> <div dir="ltr"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I thought about simple web form available only for logged users of RIPE Atlas. In this way all private data are hidden and RIPE can rate limit usage of the form. Message itself can be send to probe's owner via email from RIPE Atlas infra so sender identity also can be hidden. If somebody wants to switch to email communication then form can also be used to exchange email addresses.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Grzegorz</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Martin Boissonneault <<a href="mailto:ve2mrx@hotmail.com">ve2mrx@hotmail.com</a>><br> <b>Date: </b>Monday 2019-04-22 at 02:25<br> <b>To: </b>Carsten Schiefner <<a href="mailto:carsten@schiefner.de">carsten@schiefner.de</a>><br> <b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:ripe-atlas@ripe.net">ripe-atlas@ripe.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ripe-atlas@ripe.net">ripe-atlas@ripe.net</a>><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [atlas] Communication with probes' owners<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal">The best might be for RIPE to contact the owner when the records don't match what is detected from the probe? <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Some method to trigger a check could be added to the probe's profile, and there would not be ANY chance of email abuse by throwaway accounts? <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Allowing users to contact probe owners has to be VERY well made to avoid all sorts of attacks and spam!<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div id="AppleMailSignature"> <p class="MsoNormal">Martin Boissonneault <o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br> On Apr 21, 2019, at 18:14, Carsten Schiefner <<a href="mailto:carsten@schiefner.de">carsten@schiefner.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Am 21.04.2019 um 19:59 schrieb Dave . <<a href="mailto:gboonie@gmail.com">gboonie@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">If this gets implemented, please add a checkbox where one can indicate whether one is a user or also can get things fixed in the AS where your probe is connected.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Makes sense to me: +1.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Would then a reminder every 1/2/3 month[s] make sense that this is (still) the case aka. this flag to be set?<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">As the probe’s circumstances may change...<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Op vr 19 apr. 2019 om 12:37 schreef Paolo Pozzan <<a href="mailto:paolo.pozzan@telemar.it">paolo.pozzan@telemar.it</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"> <div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">It seems a good idea. I don't think this will be abused and in case it would be easy to point out the spammers.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div id="gmail-m_887927473055014616111929e6-5cff-4c0f-aeae-a7d0fdc1c0b4"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Would this be useful also for other kind of messages?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div id="gmail-m_887927473055014616111929e6-5cff-4c0f-aeae-a7d0fdc1c0b4"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> </div> <div id="gmail-m_887927473055014616111929e6-5cff-4c0f-aeae-a7d0fdc1c0b4"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Paolo<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>