[ripe-list] [ENOG discuss] Sunsetting ENOG - sunsetting of RIPE?

Hello Alexander,

Thank you for your email I hear your concerns.

I want to assure you that we at the RIPE NCC have not decided to abandon activities in any part of our service region. We do however prioritise the safety of our staff and community members when engaging in areas experiencing times of disputes, disasters and wars.

Sadly, our service region has encountered such times on numerous occasions, giving us experience in dealing with such situations. We always strive to strike a balance between serving our technical community needs and ensuring safe participation.

In the meantime, our online engagement activities* are geared at removing barriers to participation and continue to provide support to all communities. For the most part our technical topics are relevant across our region with only a limited number being country specific.

Everything we do is to support an open, inclusive and engaged RIPE community.

Best regards
Hisham Ibrahim
Chief Community Officer 
RIPE NCC

* I did my best to compile a short list of these online engagements hope these are useful:
- E-learning: Study at your own pace online with the RIPE NCC Academy e-learning courses: https://academy.ripe.net/
- Webinars: Live online and interactive learning: https://learning.ripe.net/w/courses/cat-15-webinars/
- Open House: Connect with experts from the RIPE NCC and our wider network for a focused discussion on topics of interest to you: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/open-house/previous-events
- RIPE Labs: It's a place to showcase and test new tools and prototypes where experts share analyses and discuss topics relevant to the state of the Internet right now and where those new to the community can get the resources they need to find their way Into the conversation. https://labs.ripe.net/
- RIPE NCC Forum: You use this forum to ask about anything related to the RIPE NCC talk to other RIPE NCC members share your thoughts on technical developments ask for help and more! https://forum.ripe.net/


> On 3 Jul 2023, at 8:51 PM, Alexander Isavnin <isavnin at freemoscow.university> wrote:
> 
> Dear Hisham! 
> 
> Thank you for the kind words to the ones, who contributed their time and effort to ENOG!
> 
> Did i got right from your e-mail, that RIPE NCC is going to abandon it’s activities in Russia? No Internet Measurement Days or RIPE NCC days seen in forseeable meeting plans on the website. 
> So called Baykal NOG you’ve mentioned is the sales-oriented commercial conference aka x-cos.ru <http://x-cos.ru/>, previously sponsored by SORM surviellance equipment producers. 
> 
> Abandoning technical community in one country (even insistently requested by some persons from other) could lead to abandoning in other countries, and then fading role of the whole technical community and sunsetting of RIPE. 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> Alexander Isavnin
> 
> Пн, 3 июля 2023 г. в 16:05, Hisham Ibrahim <hmi at ripe.net <mailto:hmi at ripe.net>>:
>> Dear colleagues,
>> 
>> ENOG (Eurasian Network Operators' Group) was established in June 2011 as a means to bring RIPE and the RIPE NCC closer to the local communities in Eurasia and to support Internet development in the region. 
>> 
>> Last year, we indefinitely postponed what would have been the 19th ENOG Meeting, slated to be held in Moscow. In the run up to that decision, we heard from many community members, first at a Birds of a Feather (BoF) session on the future of ENOG at ENOG 19 and subsequently during the BoF at RIPE 85 in Belgrade and on the ENOG Discuss mailing list. I then shared an email to the ENOG Discuss list, outlining the RIPE NCC’s view on the matter [1].
>> 
>> These dialogues highlighted the complexities involved in continuing engagement efforts through ENOG and we appreciate the community’s willingness to have difficult but much needed conversations. In light of these discussions, we believe it is time to dissolve ENOG as a RIPE NCC regional platform. It is in no one’s interest to continue to support a platform that can no longer serve its purpose or deliver meaningful outcomes. If, in the future, the community indicates that there is a constructive role for ENOG to play, we will be open to this discussion. 
>> 
>> In practical terms, this means that we will archive the ENOG website and sunset the mailing list as of 31 July 2023, after which it will be kept as a read-only site. ENOG Meetings have already ceased to take place, and we will not plan ENOG Meetings for the foreseeable future. We thank everyone who has contributed their time and effort towards ENOG over the past decade.
>> 
>> The RIPE NCC remains as committed as ever to supporting the technical communities in our service region. Our focus going forward will be on more localised efforts, whether this is training, workshops, providing staff to speak at events or supporting NOGs. 
>> 
>> Since our decision to postpone ENOG 19, we have also hosted our first Central Asia Peering and Interconnection Forum meeting in Kazakhstan last year, and the second of these events will take place in Tashkent, Uzbekistan from 19-20 September 2023 [2]. We will continue to host smaller events such as RIPE NCC Days and Internet Measurement Days (IMD) in the region that used to be covered by ENOG events, such as the IMD Kyrgyzstan which took place recently. We’ve supported other events including the KZ NOG, Baykal NOG, the Georgia NOG, the Kyrgyzstan IT Forum and the Central Asia, Armenia, Georgia and Moldova Internet Governance Forums (IGFs). We continue to engage with the Ukrainian Internet community through various online initiatives and our staff in Ukraine.
>> 
>> We encourage you to take a look at NOGs and other activities taking place within the region [3].
>> 
>> Please reach out to us if you have thoughts on how we can better support the technical communities in your region. 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Hisham Ibrahim
>> Chief Community Officer
>> RIPE NCC 
>> 
>> [1] A request to terminate ENOG: https://enog-apps-2.ripe.net/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/thread/3AJSUFXVRDOVI764J2OTUSMHODXHYQT3/
>> 
>> [2] CAPIF 2: Tashkent:
>> https://www.ripe.net/capif-2
>> 
>> [3] Network Operator Groups: 
>> https://labs.ripe.net/nogs/
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