<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style></style> </head> <body lang="EN-IE" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <div class="WordSection1"> Hi Leo & TF members, <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I’ve been reading up on the CoC and the status of it as of today. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> In the document, there is no mention of unwanted behaviour / attention that could be classified as stalking. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Under the section: aggressive communication, there are several examples of what would be seen as inappropriate behaviour.. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> However, “classic” stalking (online or in person) is something that I miss here. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Please take this feedback into account before the final version is published. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Regards,<o:p></o:p> Erik Bais <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"> From: ripe-list <ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Leo Vegoda <leo@vegoda.org> Date: Monday 29 March 2021 at 10:32 To: "ripe-list@ripe.net" <ripe-list@ripe.net> Cc: "diversity@ripe.net" <diversity@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [ripe-list] Updated Draft RIPE Code of Conduct Published for Community Review<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> Dear RIPE Community, <o:p></o:p> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> I'd like to thank everyone who has already commented on this draft update to the Code of Conduct so far. <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> <div> I have been keeping track of the comments so the TF has a good idea of what changes we need to make to the draft. I've tabulated them below and it would be good if people could let me know if I have misunderstood what they meant. Also, some people have commented but not stated if they support the daft as is, or would support the draft with a minor change. I've placed a question mark next to names where I'm not sure what a person's position is. It would be great if you could clarify your position.<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> <div> Many thanks,<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> Leo Vegoda On behalf of the RIPE Code of Conduct TF<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top" style="border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Commenter<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border:solid black 1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Support<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border:solid black 1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Comment or Delta<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" style="border:solid black 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Eileen Gallagher<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> ✓<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Add: acknowledgments of earlier work done by others when presenting new work<o:p></o:p> Add: thanking people for their contribution as an example of positive behaviour<o:p></o:p> Comment: RIPE NCC might want to incorporate the CoC into contracts with venues <o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" style="border:solid black 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Randy Bush<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> ✓<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Keep the CoC tight<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" style="border:solid black 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Vesna Manojlovic<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> ✓<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Add: definition of the CoC Team<o:p></o:p> Add: call to action<o:p></o:p> Nit: Add date and authors<o:p></o:p> Nit: Change “for more than quarter of a century” to “since 1989”<o:p></o:p> Nit: make the URL <a href="http://ripe.net/coc">ripe.net/coc</a><o:p></o:p> Nit: Rename "Behaviour" title to "Inclusive Behaviour" or another alternative<o:p></o:p> Nit: "people protected" -> remove bullet points, make it a CSV line of text<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" style="border:solid black 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Gert Doering<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> ✓<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> —<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" style="border:solid black 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Maximilian Wilhelm<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> ✓<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> —<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" style="border:solid black 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Daniel Karrenberg<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> ✓<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Focus more on principles and make it even clearer that the lists are examples and not comprehensive<o:p></o:p> Do not give the PC a special role <o:p></o:p> Nit: Change “national laws” to “laws”<o:p></o:p> Nit: ONly talk about roles and organisations in the community in general terms<o:p></o:p> Stated that the obligation to report crimes is very limited<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" style="border:solid black 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> ?<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Nit: Number all sections<o:p></o:p> Rationale must balance inclusivity against freedom of speech and cultural differences<o:p></o:p> Include all ways of communicating over the Internet<o:p></o:p> Does not understand why the PC needs to be consulted<o:p></o:p> Does contracted workers include subcontractors?<o:p></o:p> Wants the RIPE NCC staff to always intermediate if a report is made to the police and understands that there could be liability if people know of an incident and do not report it<o:p></o:p> Add protection for those who do not speak English as a first language<o:p></o:p> Does not think "calling people names" is clear for non-native speakers<o:p></o:p> Rephrase “Deliberately outing private details about someone without their consent”<o:p></o:p> Rephrase “Pushing someone to drink or take drugs”<o:p></o:p> Add a prohibition against spam<o:p></o:p> Forbid using language a non-native speaker might misunderstand<o:p></o:p> Similarly, the CoC Team should accommodate cultural differences<o:p></o:p> Wants the process in the same document<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" style="border:solid black 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Sasha Romijn<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> ?<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Question about how the team would determine if an act should be reported to the police and a preference for that to be controlled by the subject of the act<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" style="border:solid black 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Jim Reid<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> ?<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Supports Sasha on police report issue<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" style="border:solid black 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Sander Steffann<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> ?<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Supports Sasha on police report issue<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" style="border:solid black 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Gergana Petrova<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> ?<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Clarification on making a police report<o:p></o:p> Echoes the question about the role of the PC (see above)<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" style="border:solid black 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Rob Evans<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> ?<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Trusted Contacts training gave him the understanding that there is no obligation to make police reports. Trusted Contacts are confidential contacts<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" style="border:solid black 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Fearghas Mckay<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> ?<o:p></o:p> </td> <td valign="top" style="border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid black 1.0pt;border-right:solid black 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt 5.0pt;overflow:hidden"> Confidentiality and control are important in helping people have the confidence to make a report<o:p></o:p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <o:p> </o:p> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html>