<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style id=bidiui-paragraph-margins></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1>Hi Hank,<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>I agree with those points, we had similar discussions in other RIRs.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Not being a lawyer, I believe that instead of “copyright”, we should use “intellectual property”, as copyright is one form of presenting that.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Regarding the law violation. It is not clear how that should be formulated, because, it is impossible that everyone knows the law of Netherlands and it may be even in simple things very different from your own country. In fact, if that happens, it will be a legal issue, which is always on top of any code of conduct that we want to set.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>I understand that most of the CoC aspects, could be considered against law in many countries, and we want to make them “explicit”. However, for that specific point I’ve “confronted sentiments”.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>In my opinion, if something violating law is posted which is not clearly described in all the other points of the CoC, it is up to the Dutch LEA/courts to decide and it is up to RIPE NCC to inform them about “their feeling that it may be the case”.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Let me go a bit further: This is also relevant to the email archives. They should reflect all what happens in the list, like a meeting recording, minutes, etc., uncensored. Deleting from email archives something that could be a law violation should be only done if the law ask for it.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><div>Regards,<o:p></o:p>Jordi<o:p></o:p>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p></div><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><div><div>El 20/4/21 7:30, "ripe-list en nombre de Hank Nussbacher" <<a href="mailto:ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net">ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net</a> en nombre de <a href="mailto:hank@efes.iucc.ac.il">hank@efes.iucc.ac.il</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div><div>On 19/04/2021 20:12, Randy Bush wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>The RIPE NCC regularly organizes events for communities which are<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>distinct from RIPE. When preparing for such an event, the RIPE NCC<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>will ascertain whether the respective community has adopted the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>RIPE Code of Conduct and, if not, also ascertain which Code must<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>be applied.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></blockquote><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>my naïve view is that, if the ncc is an organiser, then the coc MUST<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>apply. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>if i am asked to be on (or chair) a panel which has no under-represented<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>folk, i decline, making the reason very clear.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>randy<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><o:p> </o:p>Reviewing the CoC I have noticed a few items that maybe need to be included (not sure):<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>- violating someones copyright or trademark<o:p></o:p>- distributing malware with the intention of infecting participants<o:p></o:p>- reposting private emails without the express permission of the sender<o:p></o:p>- posting something that would violate the law in the Netherlands<o:p></o:p>- posting commercial/advertisement content<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Probably each is open to debate.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Regards,<o:p></o:p>Hank<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Caveat: The views expressed above are solely my own and do not express the views or opinions of my employer <o:p></o:p></div> ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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