<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1>Hi Kurt,<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Agree, but as I mention yesterday, the thing is that I’ve seen several times in RIPE, decisions not really following the rough consensus definition. I’m not saying, not at all, that it is easy, but summaries of the discussion (not the conclusion) help to advance, decide better a possible way forward, or even stop.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Rough consensus can’t be based on “I don’t like this” “there is strong opposition”, unless technically justified what is broken by the proposal. If the proposal doesn’t break anything, even if is only going to help to something in a 1% it is good for the overall community, so objections are invalid. To be clear, this text is generic, not thinking in the actual discussion/proposal.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><div>Regards,<o:p></o:p>Jordi<o:p></o:p>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p></div><o:p> </o:p><o:p> </o:p><div><div>El 9/7/20 16:43, "Kurt Kayser" <<a href="mailto:kurt_kayser@gmx.de">kurt_kayser@gmx.de</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><o:p> </o:p></div>Hello Jordi,<o:p></o:p>in one way I agree with you, but seeing the history on this topic why not run some type of quick poll to check if people see value to continue on it or not:<o:p></o:p>A: This proposal should be dropped (confirm the chair's intention)<o:p></o:p>B: There is a good intention behind the proposal, but no progress for the content - (stalled?) - are there volunteers to continue on it (if yes, please stand up)<o:p></o:p>C: Abstain to voice no opinion - but counts as active participant <o:p></o:p>Something like this that it helps the chair to make the right choice.<o:p></o:p>Regards, Kurt<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><div>Am 09.07.20 um 16:26 schrieb JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via routing-wg:<o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Nobody said the same proposal. That's part of the reason a summary of the points is important.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I still believe it makes more sense the extend the discussion.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 9/7/20 16:21, "routing-wg en nombre de Gert Doering" <a href="mailto:routing-wg-bounces@ripe.netennombredegert@space.net"><routing-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de gert@space.net></a> escribió:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> Hi,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 04:18:35PM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via routing-wg wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > 2) sending a new proposal<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> > 2 is easier and faster probably. It is not a flooding, is a single proposal. According the PDP there is no way the chairs can reject a proposal.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> Repeating the same proposal ad nauseam in the hope that it gets more<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> traction the second time, or that people will tire of repeating their<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> counterarguments again and again is misuse of the PDP.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> Gert Doering<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> -- NetMaster<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> --<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:35.4pt'> SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. 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