[members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic)

Tue Apr 16 16:20:09 CEST 2024

This is NOT a good example. In this example we see how a /22 allocation pays 1094 EUR per year, which is close to 1 EUR / 1 IP / Year, and a /8 allocation pays 48.000 EUR, which is 0.003 EURO / 1 IP / Year, which is 333 times less expensive. So tell me again how this is a good example. 

Thanks

> On 16 Apr 2024, at 17:07, Firma KOMPEX <gabi at kompex.pl> wrote:
> 
> very good example Sebastian 
> 
> Others are doing it and Europe should too 
> 
> We should be pioneers and we are in the Middle Ages.
> We are chipping away at such obvious issues from others.
> 
> The fixed fee for the LIR Account + the resource fee can stay 
> they need to be calculated 
> 
> But necessarily, as you pointed out, IP usage should be accounted for
> 
> 
> Pozdrawiam
> Gabriel Sulka
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> On Behalf Of
> Sebastien Brossier
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 3:51 PM
> To: members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>
> Subject: [members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic)
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I propose to add the following model to the charging scheme 2025 voting
> options.
> 
> 
> *1 - Introduction:*
> 
> This charging scheme is heavily inspired by APNIC. If you are not 
> familiar with this, you can see an example here:
> https://www.apnic.net/get-ip/apnic-membership/how-much-does-it-cost/member-f
> ees-calculator/
> 
> The main idea is that each LIR pays according to its resources, but not 
> linearly. You don't pay twice as much because you have twice as much 
> resources.
> The resulting fees are similar to what the other RIRs are charging, with 
> infinite granularity (no categories).
> 
> It can be easily tweaked to reach any desired budget, and will remain 
> viable when IPv4 has disappeared.
> 
> I have made IPv6 less punitive compared to APNIC, because RIPE has 
> larger initial allocations.
> 
> Independent resources fees, sign-up fee, lack of ASN fee, remain as 
> before in this proposal. I believe it is better to have a separate 
> debate on these subjects at a later time.
> 
> The goal of this charging scheme is to lower the cost for members with a 
> very low amount of resources, in order to attract newcomers and retain 
> existing members. This way the RIPE NCC membership will remain numerous 
> and diverse.
> 
> 
> *2 - Charging scheme:*
> 
> (Warning: math incoming !)
> 
> IPv4_count = number of IPv4 addresses allocated
>              (excluding independent assignments and legacy)
> IPv6_count = number of IPv6 /56 subnets allocated
>              (excluding independent assignments)
> 
> Base_Fee = 638 EUR
> Bit_Factor = 1.31
> Minimum_Fee = 500 EUR
> Offset_IPv4 = 8
> Offset_IPv6 = 24
> 
> IPv4_Fee = Base_Fee * Bit_Factor^(log2(IPv4_count) - Offset_IPv4)
> IPv6_Fee = Base_Fee * Bit_Factor^(log2(IPv6_count) - Offset_IPv6)
> 
> Fee = max(IPv4_Fee, IPv6_Fee, Minimum_Fee)
>         + 50 EUR per independent resource (excluding ASN)
> 
> My simulation, based on public data (2024-03-28), results in an average 
> fee of 1900 EUR per LIR (+ 50 EUR per independent resource), so it 
> should provide the same budget as the other options.
> If RIPE NCC find different results with their simulation, they can 
> adjust Base_Fee.
> 
> 
> *3 - Examples:*
> 
> 50 EUR per independent resource should be added to all these fees.
> 
> No allocations:			  500 EUR
> IPv4 /24 and/or IPv6 /32: 	  638 EUR
> IPv4 /23 and/or IPv6 /31: 	  835 EUR
> IPv4 /22 and/or IPv6 /30: 	 1094 EUR
> IPv4 /21 and/or IPv6 /29: 	 1434 EUR
> IPv4 /20 and/or IPv6 /28: 	 1878 EUR
> IPv4 /19 and/or IPv6 /27: 	 2461 EUR
> IPv4 /18 and/or IPv6 /26: 	 3224 EUR
> IPv4 /17 and/or IPv6 /25: 	 4223 EUR
> IPv4 /16 and/or IPv6 /24: 	 5533 EUR
> IPv4 /15 and/or IPv6 /23: 	 7248 EUR
> IPv4 /14 and/or IPv6 /22: 	 9495 EUR
> IPv4 /13 and/or IPv6 /21: 	12439 EUR
> IPv4 /12 and/or IPv6 /20: 	16295 EUR
> IPv4 /11 and/or IPv6 /19: 	21347 EUR
> IPv4 /10 and/or IPv6 /18: 	27965 EUR
> IPv4 /9 and/or IPv6 /17: 	36634 EUR
> IPv4 /8 and/or IPv6 /16: 	47991 EUR
> 
> Largest LIR is just below 60 kEUR.
> 
> There are no categories, so your fee can be somewhere between these numbers.
> 
> If you think the fees are too high, I invite you to read the fee 
> schedule of the other RIRs.
> 
> 
> Thank you if you've read this far.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Sebastien Brossier
> 
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