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Daniel Pearson
daniel at privatesystems.net
Tue Apr 16 16:25:43 CEST 2024
I'd like to see you tell the UK Government that they are going to pay 1 Euro per IP for a /8 Let me know how that conversation goes :) On 4/16/24 9:20 AM, Petru Bunea wrote: > This is NOT a good example. In this example we see how a /22 > allocation pays 1094 EUR per year, which is close to 1 EUR / 1 IP / > Year, and a /8 allocation pays 48.000 EUR, which is 0.003 EURO / 1 IP > / Year, which is 333 times less expensive. So tell me again how this > is a good example. > > Thanks > >> On 16 Apr 2024, at 17:07, Firma KOMPEX <gabi at kompex.pl> wrote: >> >> very good example Sebastian >> >> Others are doing it and Europe should too >> >> We should be pioneers and we are in the Middle Ages. >> We are chipping away at such obvious issues from others. >> >> The fixed fee for the LIR Account + the resource fee can stay >> they need to be calculated >> >> But necessarily, as you pointed out, IP usage should be accounted for >> >> >> Pozdrawiam >> Gabriel Sulka >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> Firma Handlowo - Usługowa KOMPEX >> 34-400 Nowy Targ ul. Szaflarska 62A >> tel(18) 264-60-55 pn-pt 09:30 - 17:00 sb. 09:30 - 13:00 >> www.kompex.pl <http://www.kompex.pl/>;bok at kompex.pl;kompex at nowytarg.net >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of >> Sebastien Brossier >> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 3:51 PM >> To:members-discuss at ripe.net >> Subject: [members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic) >> >> Hello all, >> >> I propose to add the following model to the charging scheme 2025 voting >> options. >> >> >> *1 - Introduction:* >> >> This charging scheme is heavily inspired by APNIC. If you are not >> familiar with this, you can see an example here: >> https://www.apnic.net/get-ip/apnic-membership/how-much-does-it-cost/member-f >> ees-calculator/ >> >> The main idea is that each LIR pays according to its resources, but not >> linearly. You don't pay twice as much because you have twice as much >> resources. >> The resulting fees are similar to what the other RIRs are charging, with >> infinite granularity (no categories). >> >> It can be easily tweaked to reach any desired budget, and will remain >> viable when IPv4 has disappeared. >> >> I have made IPv6 less punitive compared to APNIC, because RIPE has >> larger initial allocations. >> >> Independent resources fees, sign-up fee, lack of ASN fee, remain as >> before in this proposal. I believe it is better to have a separate >> debate on these subjects at a later time. >> >> The goal of this charging scheme is to lower the cost for members with a >> very low amount of resources, in order to attract newcomers and retain >> existing members. This way the RIPE NCC membership will remain numerous >> and diverse. >> >> >> *2 - Charging scheme:* >> >> (Warning: math incoming !) >> >> IPv4_count = number of IPv4 addresses allocated >> (excluding independent assignments and legacy) >> IPv6_count = number of IPv6 /56 subnets allocated >> (excluding independent assignments) >> >> Base_Fee = 638 EUR >> Bit_Factor = 1.31 >> Minimum_Fee = 500 EUR >> Offset_IPv4 = 8 >> Offset_IPv6 = 24 >> >> IPv4_Fee = Base_Fee * Bit_Factor^(log2(IPv4_count) - Offset_IPv4) >> IPv6_Fee = Base_Fee * Bit_Factor^(log2(IPv6_count) - Offset_IPv6) >> >> Fee = max(IPv4_Fee, IPv6_Fee, Minimum_Fee) >> + 50 EUR per independent resource (excluding ASN) >> >> My simulation, based on public data (2024-03-28), results in an average >> fee of 1900 EUR per LIR (+ 50 EUR per independent resource), so it >> should provide the same budget as the other options. >> If RIPE NCC find different results with their simulation, they can >> adjust Base_Fee. >> >> >> *3 - Examples:* >> >> 50 EUR per independent resource should be added to all these fees. >> >> No allocations: 500 EUR >> IPv4 /24 and/or IPv6 /32: 638 EUR >> IPv4 /23 and/or IPv6 /31: 835 EUR >> IPv4 /22 and/or IPv6 /30:1094 EUR >> IPv4 /21 and/or IPv6 /29:1434 EUR >> IPv4 /20 and/or IPv6 /28:1878 EUR >> IPv4 /19 and/or IPv6 /27:2461 EUR >> IPv4 /18 and/or IPv6 /26:3224 EUR >> IPv4 /17 and/or IPv6 /25:4223 EUR >> IPv4 /16 and/or IPv6 /24:5533 EUR >> IPv4 /15 and/or IPv6 /23:7248 EUR >> IPv4 /14 and/or IPv6 /22:9495 EUR >> IPv4 /13 and/or IPv6 /21:12439 EUR >> IPv4 /12 and/or IPv6 /20:16295 EUR >> IPv4 /11 and/or IPv6 /19:21347 EUR >> IPv4 /10 and/or IPv6 /18:27965 EUR >> IPv4 /9 and/or IPv6 /17:36634 EUR >> IPv4 /8 and/or IPv6 /16:47991 EUR >> >> Largest LIR is just below 60 kEUR. >> >> There are no categories, so your fee can be somewhere between these >> numbers. >> >> If you think the fees are too high, I invite you to read the fee >> schedule of the other RIRs. >> >> >> Thank you if you've read this far. >> >> >> Best regards, >> Sebastien Brossier >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss at ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/gabi%40kompex.pl >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss at ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe:https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/suport%40bunea.eu > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe:https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/daniel%40privatesystems.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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