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Daniel Pearson
daniel at privatesystems.net
Tue Apr 23 15:41:01 CEST 2024
Fact - We have not been given the option to Reject all choices which is what I specifically reject. NO Should absolutely be an option. On 4/23/24 8:38 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via members-discuss wrote: > > Gotta love theories vs facts > > Fact: RIPE has around 20 thousand members > > Fact : less than 100 of them have posted on this list in the month of > April. > > Fact: not all the under 100 members (or more specifically, people who > are linked to members) are against the charging schemes proposed > > Fact: this email won’t make any difference to the vocal minority who > have issues with the charging schemes being proposed > > Fact: the result will be decided based on actual votes cast next month > > Regards > > Michele > > -- > > Mr Michele Neylon > > Blacknight Solutions > > Hosting, Colocation & Domains > > https://www.blacknight.com/ <https://www.blacknight.com/> > > https://blacknight.blog/ <https://blacknight.blog/> > > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > > Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ <https://michele.blog/> > > Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ <https://ceo.hosting/> > > ------------------------------- > > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business > Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: > 370845 > > I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not > expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours. > > *From: *members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf > of Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat at nuclearcat.com> > *Date: *Tuesday, 23 April 2024 at 09:20 > *To: *Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke at iks-service.de>, 'Mihail > Fedorov' <mihail at fedorov.net> > *Cc: *'members-discuss at ripe.net' <members-discuss at ripe.net> > *Subject: *Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: Charging scheme > 2025 proposal (logarithmic) > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from > unrecognised sources. > > On Tue, 2024-04-23 at 05:51 +0000, Lutz Donnerhacke wrote: > > * Mihail Fedorov wrote: > > > With all the respect to RIPE Executive board, there is a problem. > > > From the day first 2025 charging scheme draft was published - > > > thread instantly got hundreds of responses clearly indicating just > > > one thing - that proposed scheme is not ok. Majority (at least > > > that’s what I see in members-discuss) of members raised their > > > concerns and responded that they disagree with it. > > > [...] > > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but I assumed that RIPE is members ruled > > > structure. That’s what all RIPE learning PDFs say. You can not > > > simply ignore everyone. > > > > I'm sorry to step in here, but if you ask this way ... > > > > The overwhelming majority of members did not respond at all. This > > means that they see no pressing problem with the current proposal. > > > > We only see a - frankly - small group of members who are emphatically > > loud and repetitive. It seems to me that their motivation is to want > > to reduce the already low annual costs even further for their > > personal benefit. > Absolutely incorrect assumption (as it is already said). > For example there are many reasons why the LIR in Lebanon are silent > this maillist, but everyone I spoke with and who read mallist was > categorically outraged by the current situation. > > > > In most countries, a fixed fee per member is typical for associations > > and cooperatives. That's why the controlling department of most > > companies has no problem with it. And this is precisely why all > > attempts in the past to switch to a resource-based fee have failed: > It is failed only in RIPE, and it worked in ALL other RIR. And this > also food for thoughts, why it failed in RIPE. > Also RIPE is not golf club, it is kind of resource allocating non- > profit. > USB-IF, IEEE (mac address allocation), PCI-SIG(only one vid per member) > and many others do the same, there is always annual maintenance fee > which is dependent on size of allocated resources. > > You would have to explain the RIPE bill to the accounting department. > > > > Resource-based fees were introduced to stimulate the return of AS > > numbers etc. that are no longer used. Again, the same reason: you > > have to explain this accounting item. > > > > Lutz Donnerhacke > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss at ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40nuclearcat.com > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/michele%40blacknight.com > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe:https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/daniel%40privatesystems.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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