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Yuriy Andamasov
yuriy at sentrium.io
Wed Apr 24 08:49:44 CEST 2024
Hello I agree Must be option like last year No to budget increase Yuriy > On 23 Apr 2024, at 16:41, Daniel Pearson <daniel at privatesystems.net> wrote: > > Fact - We have not been given the option to Reject all choices which is what I specifically reject. > > NO Should absolutely be an option. > > > > On 4/23/24 8:38 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via members-discuss wrote: >> Gotta love theories vs facts >> >> Fact: RIPE has around 20 thousand members >> Fact : less than 100 of them have posted on this list in the month of April. >> Fact: not all the under 100 members (or more specifically, people who are linked to members) are against the charging schemes proposed >> Fact: this email won’t make any difference to the vocal minority who have issues with the charging schemes being proposed >> >> Fact: the result will be decided based on actual votes cast next month >> >> Regards >> >> Michele >> >> >> -- >> Mr Michele Neylon >> Blacknight Solutions >> Hosting, Colocation & Domains >> https://www.blacknight.com/ >> https://blacknight.blog/ >> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >> Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ >> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ >> ------------------------------- >> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 >> >> I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours. >> >> >> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat at nuclearcat.com> <mailto:nuclearcat at nuclearcat.com> >> Date: Tuesday, 23 April 2024 at 09:20 >> To: Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke at iks-service.de> <mailto:L.Donnerhacke at iks-service.de>, 'Mihail Fedorov' <mihail at fedorov.net> <mailto:mihail at fedorov.net> >> Cc: 'members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>' <members-discuss at ripe.net> <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> >> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic) >> >> [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. >> >> On Tue, 2024-04-23 at 05:51 +0000, Lutz Donnerhacke wrote: >> > * Mihail Fedorov wrote: >> > > With all the respect to RIPE Executive board, there is a problem. >> > > From the day first 2025 charging scheme draft was published - >> > > thread instantly got hundreds of responses clearly indicating just >> > > one thing - that proposed scheme is not ok. Majority (at least >> > > that’s what I see in members-discuss) of members raised their >> > > concerns and responded that they disagree with it. >> > > [...] >> > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but I assumed that RIPE is members ruled >> > > structure. That’s what all RIPE learning PDFs say. You can not >> > > simply ignore everyone. >> > >> > I'm sorry to step in here, but if you ask this way ... >> > >> > The overwhelming majority of members did not respond at all. This >> > means that they see no pressing problem with the current proposal. >> > >> > We only see a - frankly - small group of members who are emphatically >> > loud and repetitive. It seems to me that their motivation is to want >> > to reduce the already low annual costs even further for their >> > personal benefit. >> Absolutely incorrect assumption (as it is already said). >> For example there are many reasons why the LIR in Lebanon are silent >> this maillist, but everyone I spoke with and who read mallist was >> categorically outraged by the current situation. >> > >> > In most countries, a fixed fee per member is typical for associations >> > and cooperatives. That's why the controlling department of most >> > companies has no problem with it. And this is precisely why all >> > attempts in the past to switch to a resource-based fee have failed: >> It is failed only in RIPE, and it worked in ALL other RIR. And this >> also food for thoughts, why it failed in RIPE. >> Also RIPE is not golf club, it is kind of resource allocating non- >> profit. >> USB-IF, IEEE (mac address allocation), PCI-SIG(only one vid per member) >> and many others do the same, there is always annual maintenance fee >> which is dependent on size of allocated resources. >> > You would have to explain the RIPE bill to the accounting department. >> > >> > Resource-based fees were introduced to stimulate the return of AS >> > numbers etc. that are no longer used. Again, the same reason: you >> > have to explain this accounting item. >> > >> > Lutz Donnerhacke >> > _______________________________________________ >> > members-discuss mailing list >> > members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> >> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> > Unsubscribe: >> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40nuclearcat.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/michele%40blacknight.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/daniel%40privatesystems.net > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/hostmaster%40sentrium.io -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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