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Hank Nussbacher
hank at interall.co.il
Fri Apr 26 15:42:27 CEST 2024
On 26/04/2024 10:58, Simon-Jan Haytink wrote: Someone (Massimiliano?) wrote up a very interesting analysis comparing the RIR costs from all 5 RIRs: https://as58280.net/en/articles/RIR-Costs Worth the read to see how your RIPE fee compares at other RIRs. Regards, Hank > Hello all, > > I just want to make some corrections on the facts that can help with the > discussion. > > On the budget numbers, a 20% revenue or cost budget increase is simply > incorrect.When I talk about revenue budget, I specifically mean the > revenue the Charging Scheme is projected to generate. This is the > discussion we are having now, and will be decided at the upcoming GM. > > When I talk about cost budget, I specifically mean the Activity Plan & > Budget. As part of our governance, this discussion will start after the > summer. > > Option A from the three proposals does indeed propose a 22.58% LIR fee > increase. This is correct. > > All three options project a budget revenue of 41.1 Million EUR, which is > an 8% increase from the 2024 revenue budget of 38M EUR, and a 3% > increase compared to 2023 (40M EUR). > > This projection is based on a reducing number of LIR accounts:- 2023 > Budget number of LIR Accounts 22,500- 2024 Budget number of LIR Accounts > 21,500- 2025 projected Budget number of LIR Accounts 20,000 - equal to > the number of individual members > > The reason for this decline is the expected continued consolidation of > multiple LIR accounts.Additionally, we see a stable development of > individual members, at around 20,000 for the past four years, and we use > this as the basis to ensure some stability in our revenue budget. > > We use the Activity Plan & Budget 2024 to estimate the cost budget for > 2025, including a general increase for inflation and salary increases. > This is under the assumption the RIPE NCC will execute our > responsibilities without any change in activities. Our projected revenue > budget does not define our cost budget for 2025 - the Activity Plan and > Budget process does. If the situation arises that we have collected more > funds than needed our governance requires a redistribution vote at the > autumn GM.Please note that with the assumption that the LIR account > projection of 20,000 for 2025 is correct, not increasing the LIR fee > would result in a projected revenue budget of 34 Million EUR.This would > mean a reduction of 11% (34M) compared to revenue budget 2024 (38M), and > a 15% reduction compared to 2023 (40M). > > Lastly, I want to make it very clear that we, as the RIPE NCC, are not > opposed to differentiation between members. We did propose the category > model last year based on extensive consultation and discussion with the > members, which could have been the start of this differentiation. This > model was rejected, and we have to respect that. Any proposal will need > consensus, as well as input from a diverse group of members, to ensure > we reach a Charging Scheme that serves the needs (as far as possible) of > all our members. > > Please use my words here as input for the discussion. I have purposely > not given an opinion, as the discussion should be among members. > > Kind regards, > > Simon Jan HaytinkRIPE NCC CFO > > On 25/04/2024 09:18, Hank Nussbacher wrote: >> On 24/04/2024 18:28, Max Tulyev wrote: >> >> I have added my support as I suggest everyone else do. >> >> Everyone should realize that the major issue here is whether the >> annual fees will increase somewhere between 16-23%. Max has suggested >> a 0% increase. >> >> Look at the 2023 financial report: >> https://www.ripe.net/documents/3756/ripe-821.pdf >> >> No need to read all 39 pages - just page 6. Quote: >> >> "In 2023, we focused on reducing costs to ensure we can cope with the >> reduction in income due to the decrease of LIR accounts over the past >> few years. As a result, total expenditure was 37.3M EUR, 2.7 kEUR (7%) >> below the budget of 40M EUR. This puts us in a good position to >> operate within the 2024 budget of 38.2M EUR and to cope with inflation." >> >> A target budget of 37-38M Euro is easily doable and we should not >> agree to a 20% increase in fees in order to support a 20% increase in >> total budget. >> >> Regards, >> Hank >> >>> I have created the request for GM Agenda proposal "Keep current >>> billing scheme for the next year". >>> >>> Now it depends on your support. If there will be 400 supports, it >>> should be included to GM. >>> >>> Here it is the link: >>> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/member-proposals/1/ >>> >>> You just need to click on the "Support" button. >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss at ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/simonjh%40ripe.net > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/hank%40interall.co.il
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