[members-discuss] GM topic

Hi,
 
Thanks Hank for sharing that article. Going through the process of comparing all
those different schemes is an important task to be doing regarding the current
situation in the RIPE region. The article makes it easy without going through
the hassle of looking for the info on the different websites (+ understanding
the intricacies and specificities of each RIR).
 
I have a question for Massimiliano, if he sees it:
 
Do you really need that many IPv6 addresses? Couldn't you just go with a single
/40 allocation instead? That would still make a couple of /48 to be announced
separately for you to keep your "lab allocation". If the answer is "yes" to that
question, you could then pay well less in most if not all other RIR regions.
 
Regards,
Thibaud.

Le ven. 26/04/2024 16:42, Hank Nussbacher a écrit :
> On 26/04/2024 10:58, Simon-Jan Haytink wrote:
> 
> Someone (Massimiliano?) wrote up a very interesting analysis comparing the
> RIR costs from all 5 RIRs:
> https://as58280.net/en/articles/RIR-Costs
> Worth the read to see how your RIPE fee compares at other RIRs.
> 
> Regards,
> Hank
> 
> 
> 
> > Hello all,
> > 
> > I just want to make some corrections on the facts that can help with the
> > discussion.
> > 
> > On the budget numbers, a 20% revenue or cost budget increase is simply
> > incorrect.When I talk about revenue budget, I specifically mean the
> > revenue the Charging Scheme is projected to generate. This is the
> > discussion we are having now, and will be decided at the upcoming GM.
> > 
> > When I talk about cost budget, I specifically mean the Activity Plan &
> > Budget. As part of our governance, this discussion will start after the
> > summer.
> > 
> > Option A from the three proposals does indeed propose a 22.58% LIR fee
> > increase. This is correct.
> > 
> > All three options project a budget revenue of 41.1 Million EUR, which is
> > an 8% increase from the 2024 revenue budget of 38M EUR, and a 3%
> > increase compared to 2023 (40M EUR).
> > 
> > This projection is based on a reducing number of LIR accounts:- 2023
> > Budget number of LIR Accounts 22,500- 2024 Budget number of LIR Accounts
> > 21,500- 2025 projected Budget number of LIR Accounts 20,000 - equal to
> > the number of individual members
> > 
> > The reason for this decline is the expected continued consolidation of
> > multiple LIR accounts.Additionally, we see a stable development of
> > individual members, at around 20,000 for the past four years, and we use
> > this as the basis to ensure some stability in our revenue budget.
> > 
> > We use the Activity Plan & Budget 2024 to estimate the cost budget for
> > 2025, including a general increase for inflation and salary increases.
> > This is under the assumption the RIPE NCC will execute our
> > responsibilities without any change in activities. Our projected revenue
> > budget does not define our cost budget for 2025 - the Activity Plan and
> > Budget process does. If the situation arises that we have collected more
> > funds than needed our governance requires a redistribution vote at the
> > autumn GM.Please note that with the assumption that the LIR account
> > projection of 20,000 for 2025 is correct, not increasing the LIR fee
> > would result in a projected revenue budget of 34 Million EUR.This would
> > mean a reduction of 11% (34M) compared to revenue budget 2024 (38M), and
> > a 15% reduction compared to 2023 (40M).
> > 
> > Lastly, I want to make it very clear that we, as the RIPE NCC, are not
> > opposed to differentiation between members. We did propose the category
> > model last year based on extensive consultation and discussion with the
> > members, which could have been the start of this differentiation. This
> > model was rejected, and we have to respect that. Any proposal will need
> > consensus, as well as input from a diverse group of members, to ensure
> > we reach a Charging Scheme that serves the needs (as far as possible) of
> > all our members.
> > 
> > Please use my words here as input for the discussion. I have purposely
> > not given an opinion, as the discussion should be among members.
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > 
> > Simon Jan HaytinkRIPE NCC CFO
> > 
> > On 25/04/2024 09:18, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
> > > On 24/04/2024 18:28, Max Tulyev wrote:
> > > 
> > > I have added my support as I suggest everyone else do.
> > > 
> > > Everyone should realize that the major issue here is whether the
> > > annual fees will increase somewhere between 16-23%.  Max has
> > > suggested a 0% increase.
> > > 
> > > Look at the 2023 financial report:
> > > https://www.ripe.net/documents/3756/ripe-821.pdf
> > > 
> > > No need to read all 39 pages - just page 6.  Quote:
> > > 
> > > "In 2023, we focused on reducing costs to ensure we can cope with
> > > the reduction in income due to the decrease of LIR accounts over the
> > > past few years. As a result, total expenditure was 37.3M EUR, 2.7
> > > kEUR (7%) below the budget of 40M EUR. This puts us in a good
> > > position to operate within the 2024 budget of 38.2M EUR and to cope
> > > with inflation."
> > > 
> > > A target budget of 37-38M Euro is easily doable and we should not
> > > agree to a 20% increase in fees in order to support a 20% increase
> > > in total budget.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Hank
> > > 
> > > > I have created the request for GM Agenda proposal "Keep current
> > > > billing scheme for the next year".
> > > > 
> > > > Now it depends on your support. If there will be 400 supports,
> > > > it should be included to GM.
> > > > 
> > > > Here it is the link:
> > > > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/member-proposals/1/
> > > > 
> > > > You just need to click on the "Support" button.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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